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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by glaslong »

walterbell wrote: post #120
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #105

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Pretty rude to call this ex Apple Nuvia. I don't think any of those lawsuits by Apple or ARM have been won. Qualcomm declares this to be a new chip. But yes it has talent from those places. Still, let's not try to tip the scales of perception quite so indelicately? I am curious what the boot situation is. It seems like Qualcomm actually has pretty good support for their cores. But since these PC systems sort of lack…

Circular talent economy, https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/legendary-qu... Just several months after leaving Qualcomm, distinguished CPU and system architects Gerard Williams, John Bruno, and Ram Srinivasan, who are celebrated for their high-performance processors developed at Apple, Nuvia, and, more recently, Qualcomm, established a new CPU startup — Nuvacore — that promises no less than to 'rewrite th…

Seems like a good thing, no? People getting paid well to skip around and improve products across the board. A virtuosos cycle, as opposed to the cynical cycle of ruining one project and parachuting to the next.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by panick21_ »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #137
geodel wrote: post #63

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This marcan person had problem with Go, he had problem with Apple fans, he had problems with linux committers, so much he left internet or something. To say everyone but marcan was wrong is just a kind of fanboyism and it hardly helps marcan. This person liked to dish out as much as next person but display extreme reaction when served.

Being harassed by neckbeards would drive anyone insane

No it actually wouldn't. As in 15+ years of Hacker News I have not seen the same so clearly it can be so horrible that it regularly leads to such strong reaction, suggesting that for most people this isn't nearly so impactful. And very few things described could actually be called harassment, mostly it was light criticism or maybe a bit trolling.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by mmcnl »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31
mmcnl wrote: post #26

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I was trying to come up with a response but you're right. It would be easy for Apple and Apple would get so much goodwill from the community in return.

They get more public goodwill from a single ad. The chronically online Linux-using engineer community is too small to matter.

I doubt that. The developer community is what made the MacBook predominant in every tech organization. Before that Macs were mostly popular in the creative sector.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by hu3 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #123

Nice to see M3 support coming along as they work their way through the upstreaming backlog and improve tooling: > finding their way into the Asahi kernel tree are patches to enable more hardware on M3 machines. This includes support for PCIe, MacBook keyboards and trackpads support, the SMC-based RTC and reboot controller, and the NVMe controller, courtesy once again of Michael Reeves and Alyssa Milburn. This brings…

It will probably be barely useful by the time M6 launches!

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by presbyterian »

gf000 wrote: post #155
rglullis wrote: post #134

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> MacOS has solved laptop suspend since the 2000s. On Apple hardware . Call me when you put MacOS on any random laptop and get suspend to work.

Yeah, it's not that hard if the hardware is high quality and of small number of known types. Windows and Linux is judged by whether it works on any hardware, including the so-cheap-it-should-not-have-been-produced-ever machines, that will obviously just plain suck. No amount of software can save shitty hardware.

I feel like Linux proselytizers are always talking about how Linux will revive or improve low-powered hardware, and that’s one of the reasons it’s so great. Then when it’s still a poor experience, the same Linux users say things like this, that no software can save bad hardware. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Also, Linux expressly aims to run on a wide array of hardware, and macOS doesn’t. So Linux should be judged across a large range of hardware and macOS shouldn’t, in the same way a Jeep should be judged on its off-roading abilities and a Civic shouldn’t.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by eightysixfour »

gf000 wrote: post #152
eightysixfour wrote: post #94

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Earlier this year I built a new desktop and installed my normal Linux distro and the screen wouldn’t work after login. I worked on it for a day, still couldn’t get any desktop except a terminal.Tried a different distro, it booted but no matter what resolution or refresh rate, the display showed severe artifacts when scrolling. Tried to fix it for a few days, gave up. I am not a Linux novice, I have been using every m…

I can easily tell you a story of the same with the two OSs reversed. It's no longer 2016, pretty much every hardware worth their salt has good, or better Linux support, with the possible exception of some random RGB led not being controllable out of the box (though usually it's not out of the box either on windows). Like outside of desktop, Linux is the most prevalent operating system and it's not even close.

This wasn’t 2016, it was this year, and we are talking about desktop OSes (given the comparison to MacOS). If I wanted to run it as a server without a desktop environment, it would have been fine.

I don’t understand all the folks who crawl out of the woodworks as Acolytes of the Holy Linux Empire every time this topic comes up. Linux is a good desktop OS these days, it is my default, but I don’t have any problems acknowledging its issues and moving to another OS if it can’t meet my needs or if I have hardware/software that it has issues with.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by Barbing »

joelthelion wrote: post #46
aurareturn wrote: post #41

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Little to no monetary benefit, hardware changes now need to be documented for Linux, loudest and most critical users but smallest volume.

And risk of loss of control on the software ecosystem.

loss of control, fewer services sales w/o their built-in upsells etc… tragedies

Go team Asahi!

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by hu3 »

GZGavinZhao wrote: post #95

It's always sad to think what more can be achieved / how faster we might've arrived at M3 support if Asahi Lina is still active.

I'm glad such talent moved on to work for companies that care instead of wasting their talent.

Intelligence comes in many forms. This decision is one of them.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by walterbell »

glaslong wrote: post #181
walterbell wrote: post #120

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Circular talent economy, https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/legendary-qu... Just several months after leaving Qualcomm, distinguished CPU and system architects Gerard Williams, John Bruno, and Ram Srinivasan, who are celebrated for their high-performance processors developed at Apple, Nuvia, and, more recently, Qualcomm, established a new CPU startup — Nuvacore — that promises no less than to 'rewrite th…

Seems like a good thing, no? People getting paid well to skip around and improve products across the board. A virtuosos cycle, as opposed to the cynical cycle of ruining one project and parachuting to the next.

Also keeps lawyers busy.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by seba_dos1 »

Matl wrote: post #167
embedding-shape wrote: post #128

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> you have the stupid situation Linux used to have where only one app could play audio at a time When was that? I think my first Linux distribution was Ubuntu 8.04 and fairly sure it shipped with PulseAudio which in mind always been able to play audio from multiple sources at the same time, maybe I misremember?

Pure ALSA would behave like that because the currently playing process would take exclusive control of the hardware. Upsite: Highest quality playback. Downside: Only one process could play audio at a time.

Only if you had no hardware nor software mixing configured, which probably should be considered a misconfiguration of your system.
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