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Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by oldmanhorton »

jhack wrote: post #90

To a lot of people AI is just image and text generation. And yes, these uses alone aren't worth the time, money, and energy. But there are a lot of areas where AI is helping that people don't see, like in medicine. Drug development, cancer research and early detection, CT and MRI analysis, just to name a few. These uses cases are vastly more important but rarely get discussed. It's important to know that AI isn't thi…

“Think of the children!”

When AI produces those meaningful advances in those fields, great, we can start having meaningful discussions about them. The greatest medical advancement of the 21st century is likely mRNA, or maybe GLP-1 for some. Neither were LLM assisted in any meaningful way as far as I know (they predate ChatGPT, perhaps more primitive models were involved in ways I’m not familiar with). Until those advances come, this argument is fanfic.

Plus, in the most morbid way possible: who gives a shit about living longer if they are stripped of their career, are inundated with slop at every angle, and can’t trust any information. These are real problems that AI has already created, unlike the fanfic of ridding cancer.

Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by happytoexplain »

jhack wrote: post #90

To a lot of people AI is just image and text generation. And yes, these uses alone aren't worth the time, money, and energy. But there are a lot of areas where AI is helping that people don't see, like in medicine. Drug development, cancer research and early detection, CT and MRI analysis, just to name a few. These uses cases are vastly more important but rarely get discussed. It's important to know that AI isn't thi…

They do see those use cases. It's not surprising that they focus on the enormous number of other, negative use cases. It's misleading to describe the medical use cases as "more important" - yes, they are, in the same way that healing a person is "more important" than ruining their lives. That's not what you're implying by your usage of the term, though.

A person having a negative attitude about AI doesn't mean that they wouldn't keep the parts that are mostly positive if they could.

Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by retired »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #140
retired wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For The Netherlands, construction work causes emissions. There are limits to these emissions. Building a data center means you can't simultaneously build a house anywhere nearby the construction site as that would cause the local emissions to go over the set limits. Next to that there is net congestion. The energy grid is currently critical, if you add a data center that means you will not be able to connect 20 to 30…

> For The Netherlands, construction work causes emissions. There are limits to these emissions. Building a data center means you can't simultaneously build a house anywhere nearby the construction site as that would cause the local emissions to go over the set limits. This is an insane regulation, and I wonder if it was passed by NIMBYs whose actual goal is to prevent the construction of housing near them.

I recently read an article that 8 cows needed to be moved 5 kilometers so they could build a bicycle path. The cows combined with the construction of the new bicycle path caused too much local emissions.

The municipality bought the emissions rights from the farmers that held those 8 cows and the farmers then had to move/remove/slaughter 8 cows.

Welcome to The Netherlands.

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Post by dominotw »

Tyrubias wrote: post #41

This was evident everywhere except within the AI industry itself. The rhetoric from many of the industry’s top leaders has been “this technology will eliminate millions of jobs, fundamentally reshape countless other jobs, and automate the use of lethal force, but we’re going to develop it anyways”. Many of the current economic woes, including mass layoffs, have been blamed on AI by the very executives conducting said…

not to mention all the AI boosters seems to have the most hatable scammy personalities. why are they all so smug.

magnet for scum like boosters on X, middle managment types, linkedin ai influences, ppl making fake videos on facebook.

Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by ashley95 »

cortesoft wrote: post #44

I feel like their are (at least) three main critiques of AI, and I wish we could debate them separately, because I think they each have different resolutions. The first is the fear of job loss, and I feel like this is the most straightforward to deal with. Personally, I think the solution should be to share the productivity of AI with society at large, in particular since AI owes most of its abilities to training on…

> The first is the fear of job loss, and I feel like this is the most straightforward to deal with.

In the same way that it was straightforward to deal with job loss from the industrial revolution, or when the US shipped away all its manufacturing capability?

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Post by ares623 »

nickvec wrote: post #142

"Naturally, violence is never an answer, nor is it a politically effective tactic." I am not condoning violence, but claiming it is not a politically effective tactic is disingenuous. I get that columnists are trying to cover their asses, but still.

Violence is only allowed in one direction.

Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by mschuster91 »

ip26 wrote: post #178
troosevelt wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you lost your $60,000 a year job due to this, do you really believe a basic income funded by it will make up that loss? It won't. Basic income in the US is usually proposed at $12k per year, which would add another $3 trillion to the budget. Do you think you can even get that just taxing these companies? I don't. People who bring up basic income need to get serious about the numbers involved because I never see it…

If companies are faced with the choice between: - employ you at 60k/yr - replace you with a machine that costs a lot of money, and also send you UBI of 60k/yr It should be obvious the latter is not an option that is ever going to happen.

The problem is, companies will go for the third route: hire a company in India to launder AI. It has already worked out once with the offshoring wave.

Re: The AI industry is discovering that the public hates it

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Post by retired »

badc0ffee wrote: post #120
retired wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For The Netherlands, construction work causes emissions. There are limits to these emissions. Building a data center means you can't simultaneously build a house anywhere nearby the construction site as that would cause the local emissions to go over the set limits. Next to that there is net congestion. The energy grid is currently critical, if you add a data center that means you will not be able to connect 20 to 30…

Thanks for the perspective. It sounds like you'd run into the same issues (except for the electrical load) building any large industrial project, which does not bode well for your economy.

Correct. At the moment the expansion of ASML is halted because of nearby farmers that create a negligible addition to the GDP.

If the Dutch government was a bit smarter, they would buy out the farmers and create a mega-campus for ASML, including housing for all those expats.

Edit: I stand corrected, last month ASML was granted permission to expand by 20.000 employees.

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