Youth today are ungrateful; they contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble their food, and tyrannise their teachers.
Oh yeah, we never did ANY of that when we were kids...
Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
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Re: Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
#182States should pay more attention to Mississippi on how they were able to revamp education in under a decade. https://oxfordeagle.com/2025/01/30/mississippi-4th-graders-n...
I know it's a difficult word but if you spell Mississippi correctly your comment well be taken more seriously.
Re: Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
#183Let's see Common Core was released in 2010 and by 2014-2015 most states had implemented it. Lets do the math, 2026 - 13 = 2013. Hmmm... You can say funding all you want but in the same 13 years of Common Core funding per student has increased by 50%.
Except these are results for 2022, and they are significantly down from the levels in 2019. All kids in either cohort would have spent their entire school years with common core education.
Re: Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you want to force your kid to study? Kids are naturally curious, it's likely that your kid will be curious about something . Introduce them to study and scholarship as a means of figuring these things out, so that it becomes natural to them.
Because _real_ study is boring. Watching videos on Youtube or playing "educational games" is not studying. You need to repeatedly solve multiple practical problems to internalize the knowledge. And you'll eventually need to do stuff that you don't really like at all.
That's right. Real learning is difficult - even for activities we enjoy.
Re: Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
#185Let's see Common Core was released in 2010 and by 2014-2015 most states had implemented it. Lets do the math, 2026 - 13 = 2013. Hmmm... You can say funding all you want but in the same 13 years of Common Core funding per student has increased by 50%.
It leads to K-shaped education where parents who recognize the deficiency of public education simply teach their kids math themselves or hire private tutors. Public education used to be a force for equality of knowledge in the country. Now it perversely does the opposite, all in the name of education!
Except that's not what the data shows. The decrease is similar across performance levels.
Re: Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Labor compensation in the U.S. is also extremely unequal, which pulls the average up in a way that isn't very informative as to this particular issue. The average starving PhD would be a much better and more knowledgeable teacher to high school students in the subject she took her PhD in, than the typical high school teacher with nothing more than an Education credential. Are you sure that you need to pay such high w…
> The average starving PhD would be a much better and more knowledgeable teacher to high school students in the subject she took her PhD in i dont think this is true. there is an art to educating (especially the ~10-15 year old range) that does not just manifest itself because you are smart: how to engage students, how to keep them engaged, how to adjust the message to the audience's level and communicate it effectiv…
Yeah there's some truth to this - I find that my Ed students don't always have sophisticated understandings of their content area (though honestly I find that ENGR and BIOL students don't, either). But they do get more content area teaching than in ED.
ED as a field is 100% all-in on AI, too, so there's a lot of discussion amongst them about what skills in the field need to be automated and what has to stay artisanal. But I'm sympathetic to zozbot's claims too - I do think the reading scores would be higher if there were more comp/rhet specialists in sec. ed.
Re: Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could we look at average SAT scores by year as a proxy? It's not a great metric because not all students take the SAT but I think there's some correlation. https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-scores-over-time
There was a major change to the SAT design right around the start of the period of interest which seems to have caused scores to jump.
The change was in fact designed to make the scores jump. The purpose is compressing the top scores to allow universities to be more subjective and still have high averages
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Labor compensation in the U.S. is also extremely unequal, which pulls the average up in a way that isn't very informative as to this particular issue. The average starving PhD would be a much better and more knowledgeable teacher to high school students in the subject she took her PhD in, than the typical high school teacher with nothing more than an Education credential. Are you sure that you need to pay such high w…
> The average starving PhD would be a much better and more knowledgeable teacher to high school students in the subject she took her PhD in i dont think this is true. there is an art to educating (especially the ~10-15 year old range) that does not just manifest itself because you are smart: how to engage students, how to keep them engaged, how to adjust the message to the audience's level and communicate it effectiv…
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Re: Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most common reply to this is: “people said the same about Books/TV/Comics/Games/Facebook stop being such a Luddite” My answer to this is approximately: “yes they’re all relatively bad compared to the thing that came before so they were all right!” Even books. If the option were between my child reading about blacksmithing/compsci and DOING blacksmithing/compsci I’d choose the latter every time. It gives you real…
It's also not possible to carry around enough books with you to allow you to jump from one to another whenever you get bored, while it is possible to effectively carry around a device that lets you watch YouTube/TikTok at all times. I think this is an important factor.
> It's also not possible to carry around enough books with you to allow you to jump from one to another whenever you get bored
It most certainly is.
Re: Scores decline again for 13-year-old students in reading and mathematics (2023)
#190The peak was in 2012 2012 2020 2023 Reading 263 260 256 Math 285 280 271 So people are looking at Covid and that's probably not enough. The scores are closer to those of the 80's than those in the 90's and 00's
Demographic change is the obvious explanation.
Mississippi is one of the recent education success stories though.