Feels like the real issue isn’t policy but pricing models
Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
^every comment when someone says something remotely negative about LLM’s and their less useful cousins, cryptocurrencies. It’s baffling how similar the language and attitude is sometimes. Anthropic was, even to me, “one of the better ones” until recently. They have made many questionable/poor decisions the last 6-8 weeks and people are right to call them out for it, especially when they want our money.
What's funny is I had personally settled on Anthropic as... the best of a bad situation, I guess? I found the tech useful even if I still deeply hate the industry and hype machine around it. Now though I can't get through a full discussion with Claude before the usage restrictions kick in, which has done a far better job getting me to kick the habit than anything else. I still VERY occasionally use it (as I'm friggin…
I pay the $20 sub for all of the Frontier models and just hop between them as performance changes
I will say that Codex high/x-high has consistently performed the best for me, but YMMV
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#183Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's funny is I had personally settled on Anthropic as... the best of a bad situation, I guess? I found the tech useful even if I still deeply hate the industry and hype machine around it. Now though I can't get through a full discussion with Claude before the usage restrictions kick in, which has done a far better job getting me to kick the habit than anything else. I still VERY occasionally use it (as I'm friggin…
I pay the $20 sub for all of the Frontier models and just hop between them as performance changes I will say that Codex high/x-high has consistently performed the best for me, but YMMV
See the thing is their storefront is so fucking vague. Right now I hit usage limits after about 4-6 messages during the day, depending on length. They say the low tier is 5x usage, so does that mean I can send 20-30 messages? Because that's not remotely worth $20 a month to me.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#185I'm out of the loop on Claude, hasn't it always been possible to use the Anthropic API with a tool like OpenClaw, paying per request? Is this limitation just for using your monthly subscription account?
Many people likely objected to the original restriction because it seemed as though Anthropic was trying to impede the development of competing tools. If I'm paying for compute, why should it matter whether I use Anthropic's harness (e.g., Claude Code) or a 3rd-party harness?
I find it a little bizarre that people have this expectation. You can still pay for compute and use it the way you want by paying for the product you actually want to use. Subscription products like this are not marketed or intended to be used as access to the API, but they also offer access to the API if that's what you want. I'm still not entirely clear why people insist on using their subscription like this, so let me know if I'm missing something.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I drop $10k on a souped-up Mac Studio, can that run a competent open-source model for OpenClaw?
Qwen is probably your best bet… Edit: I’d also consider waiting for WWDC, they are supposed to be launching the new Mac Studio, an even if you don’t get it, you might be able to snag older models for cheaper
> consider waiting for WWDC
100% agree. I’m just looking forward to setting something up in my electronic closet that I can remote to instead of having everything tracked.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are taking in more than they are spending hosting them. However, the cost for training the next generation of models is not covered.
Nope. They're losing money on straight inference (you may be thinking of the interview where Dario described a hypothetical company that was positive margin). The only way they can make it look like they're making money on inference is by calling the ongoing reinforcement training of the currently-served model a capital rather than operational expense, which is both absurd and will absolutely not work for an IPO.
Inference, in and of itself, can't be completely unprofitable. Unless you're purely talking about Anthropic?
But
> If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them
Suggests you just mean in general, as a category, every provider is taking a loss. That seems implausible. Every provider on OpenRouter is giving away inference at a loss? For what purpose?
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#189Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.
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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is such a strange way for this to be announced. Why is openclaw telling us this? I wouldn't even trust it until Anthropic says so themselves.
It's the PayPal model of customer service: they'll ban you at any time for any reason or none at all, but if you're very nice they might be willing to have a human look at that decision at some point, but probably not.
Straight up PayPal and Venmo can go to hell. They banned my account, I painted a gun for a guy with a cerakote bale-on setup. He paid with PayPal and they banned me. His gun, just a legal service to paint it.
I pulled our company portal away from PayPal when they refused to restore my account.
Five years later, I tried to re-activate and the human I finally got to effectively told me to fuck off; so I will spend the rest of my life bashing that trash company at every chance.