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Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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Post by wao0uuno »

triceratops wrote: post #164
wao0uuno wrote: post #143

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You forgot about chewing. Nobody swallows oranges in chunks. You chew and that presses out the juice. Drinking the juice and then eating the pulp is no different although it does sound silly. At that point just eat the damn orange like a normal person.

> Drinking the juice and then eating the pulp is no different although it does sound silly. At that point just eat the damn orange like a normal person. It's less silly than taking a shot of vodka and eating an orange. Tastier too.

Drinking alcohol is silly.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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Post by triceratops »

wao0uuno wrote: post #181
triceratops wrote: post #164

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> Drinking the juice and then eating the pulp is no different although it does sound silly. At that point just eat the damn orange like a normal person. It's less silly than taking a shot of vodka and eating an orange. Tastier too.

Drinking alcohol is silly.

No doubt. We all need some silliness in our lives.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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Post by SoftTalker »

defterGoose wrote: post #142
SoftTalker wrote: post #116

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FWIW, "navel" oranges are grown for eating, not for juice. People prefer them because they are easy to peel and they don't have seeds. Juice oranges have a tougher, thinner rind that doesn't peel easily, and they have seeds. But they have better taste and more juice than navel oranges.

I'll pick a bone on the flavor comment because a good Washington Navel is probably one of the best tasting oranges in existence.

I guess it might depend on the variety then. I've had navel oranges that were almost like damp cellulose to eat. Very little juice or flavor.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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Post by jasobake »

mindslight wrote: post #79
Noumenon72 wrote: post #8

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I love cutting grapefruit in half and digging out chunks because at the end you get to drink grapefruit juice the way it was intended, as a reward for eating grapefruit.

fun fact: be careful if you're on any medications.

drinking grapefruit juice is a flex and signals you have a normally functioning brain

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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Post by defterGoose »

SoftTalker wrote: post #183
defterGoose wrote: post #142

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I'll pick a bone on the flavor comment because a good Washington Navel is probably one of the best tasting oranges in existence.

I guess it might depend on the variety then. I've had navel oranges that were almost like damp cellulose to eat. Very little juice or flavor.

You got a bad/dry one. Happens all the time with home grown and less frequently with commercial products. My backyard trees have improved, but only with fairly intensive upkeep.

The flavor coming right off the tree can be truly candy-like given optimal conditions. After tasting the best ones from my own tree, I had the revelation that so many things that are "orange flavored" are mimicking navels specifically.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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Post by jnsaff2 »

scheme271 wrote: post #178
jnsaff2 wrote: post #81

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Also Jones Act: ships from Asia can't pick up cargo from Hawaii on the way and drop it in mainland US. This means that shipping between Hawaii and mainland is much more expensive then it needs to be.

The Jones Act doesn't affect shipping prices all that much. If you look at the shipping lanes, the shortest and best shipping routes between Asia and the west coast travels by Alaska. Going to Hawaii adds multiple days and thousands of miles to the route. Also, the harbors in Hawaii aren't equipped to handle the large container ships used for trans-pac shipping routes so the cargo ships couldn't stop in Honolulu even…

Studies seem to disagree.

https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/0...

Also the OP suggested that Hawaiian production is on decline so shipping from Hawaii to mainland is the issue.

Re: What killed the Florida orange?

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Post by scheme271 »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #186
scheme271 wrote: post #178

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The Jones Act doesn't affect shipping prices all that much. If you look at the shipping lanes, the shortest and best shipping routes between Asia and the west coast travels by Alaska. Going to Hawaii adds multiple days and thousands of miles to the route. Also, the harbors in Hawaii aren't equipped to handle the large container ships used for trans-pac shipping routes so the cargo ships couldn't stop in Honolulu even…

Studies seem to disagree. https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/0... Also the OP suggested that Hawaiian production is on decline so shipping from Hawaii to mainland is the issue.

The grassroots institute is an explicitly right-wing/libertarian organization that advocates for their preferred policies. So take their studies with that in mind.

However, the Jones act doesn't really have much of an impact compared to the significantly higher cost of labor in the US compared to brazil and india. Also the US got rid of alot of sugar subsidies, and import controls which essentially made sugar growing aside for some specialized situations infeasible.

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