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Post by pseudohadamard »

jnaina wrote: post #165
tremon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how can you improve if there is no dialog The UAE doesn't have a self-advancement culture, it's a capital-backed monarchy that imports pretty much all of its research and production; in other words it piggy-backs on the knowledge produced in other societies. There is no advancement through dialog in the country itself.

Unfortunately UAE has evolved to become a petro-dollar fueled private enterprise, run by the royal families, cosplaying as a nation.

It's not just the UAE, it's pretty much all of the Gulf states. They're essentially a less obviously extreme version of Turkmenistan, or something like late-1930s Germany where everything looks prosperous and OK provided you walk very carefully and don't see some of the things that are happening.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by pseudohadamard »

michaelt wrote: post #105
oa335 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ukraine does it to avoid assisting Russian damage assessment and targeting efforts. Isn’t UAE doing this to avoid Iranian damage assessment and targeting efforts also?

The censorship is dual purpose. They want to make it so Iran doesn’t know if they successfully hit that Oracle data centre. But they also want to make it so foreign investors don’t get scared off by the prospect of their data centre getting blown up. Obviously investors will avoid the area so long as missiles are flying - but by coming through the conflict "unscathed" will let them bounce back fast. Likewise with tou…

  Obviously investors will avoid the area so long as missiles are flying - but by coming through the conflict "unscathed" will let them bounce back fast. Likewise with tourism.
Definitely with tourism. FOAF flew through there a week or two back and said it was very much business as normal at the airport apart from slightly longer queues, otherwise it was the same as it was before the shooting started. This in a country that had been targeted by something like 2,500 dones and 500 missiles.

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Post by fwn »

alephnerd wrote: post #110
netdur wrote: post #8

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there are two sides, such as how photos can stress citizens and act as propaganda, making them harmful to state interests, ultimately it is their country and their rules, not yours, regardless of how much you disagree with it you are also missing the elephant in the room, whatsapp's claim of end-to-end encryption is a lie

> you are also missing the elephant in the room, whatsapp's claim of end-to-end encryption is a lie Not exactly. E2E is illegal in the UAE, and Meta has only advertised E2E in countries where it can operate E2E freely. All chat apps that operate in the UAE need to store data locally with full access given to the UAE's Telecom and Interior Ministries.

> E2E is illegal in the UAE, and Meta has only advertised E2E in countries where it can operate E2E freely.

From my experience, the no-advertisement claim is untrue. I've used WhatsApp with several users in the UAE. The end-to-end encryption notice appeared on my side (as always in user-to-user communication).

> All chat apps that operate in the UAE need to store data locally with full access given to the UAE's Telecom and Interior Ministries.

Do you have a source for that claim?

Compromised endpoints, monitoring accounts or unencrypted cloud backups are far more likely to be the source than hidden deals or large conspiracies where many people need to keep a secret.

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Post by Caius-Cosades »

michaelt wrote: post #105
oa335 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ukraine does it to avoid assisting Russian damage assessment and targeting efforts. Isn’t UAE doing this to avoid Iranian damage assessment and targeting efforts also?

The censorship is dual purpose. They want to make it so Iran doesn’t know if they successfully hit that Oracle data centre. But they also want to make it so foreign investors don’t get scared off by the prospect of their data centre getting blown up. Obviously investors will avoid the area so long as missiles are flying - but by coming through the conflict "unscathed" will let them bounce back fast. Likewise with tou…

"They want to make it so Iran doesn’t know if they successfully hit that Oracle data centre."

And how do you suppose that is going to work when Iran has it's own spy satellites in orbit, and access to chinese commercial imaging satellites?

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Post by t0mas88 »

aunty_helen wrote: post #130
felixg3 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably referring to crew rest hours (esp. a problem in the late 2010s, near-misses at DXB etc. Not having had passenger fatalities is a bad indicator for safety records in the 21st century. The ek521 report is a good example documenting systemic failures at EK

Well, if not ever having a fatality isn’t good enough, they’re consistently top 10 rated for safety. I just don’t buy ops criticism. It’s fine to not like Dubai, but emirates are provably one of the best airlines.

They got lucky to keep their 0 fatalities, could have easily been 300 if one of their significant near misses went slightly different. Their crew rest rules are dangerous, Middle Eastern crew resource management is much worse than US and EASA, and airline oversight in the region is much less independent. Sure it hasn't gone wrong yet, but with how low the number of fatalities is overall that's a bad metric.

Edit: Just to quote the official investigation on an Emirates fuckup: "The flight crew reliance on automation and lack of training in flying go-arounds from close to the runway significantly affected the flight crew performance in a critical flight situation which was different to that experienced by them during their simulated training flights."

That reflects exactly how the rest of the industry thinks about the gulf carriers and their crews. Combine that with non optimal CRM and you have a disaster waiting to happen. They already did this twice, not understanding automation and (nearly) flying a jet into the ground.

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Post by pydry »

Caius-Cosades wrote: post #184
michaelt wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The censorship is dual purpose. They want to make it so Iran doesn’t know if they successfully hit that Oracle data centre. But they also want to make it so foreign investors don’t get scared off by the prospect of their data centre getting blown up. Obviously investors will avoid the area so long as missiles are flying - but by coming through the conflict "unscathed" will let them bounce back fast. Likewise with tou…

"They want to make it so Iran doesn’t know if they successfully hit that Oracle data centre." And how do you suppose that is going to work when Iran has it's own spy satellites in orbit, and access to chinese commercial imaging satellites?

It works even less for Ukraine.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by pydry »

dralley wrote: post #41
pydry wrote: post #23

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Ukraine does it to avoid assisting Russian damage assessment and targeting efforts. Avoiding embarrassment is not really part of the equation, especially when they need to push for more international support.

>Ukraine does it to avoid assisting Russian damage assessment and targeting efforts.

Which is why they also arrest people who take videos of missiles hitting but not of the damage?

Russia also has satellites.

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Post by eukara »

esskay wrote: post #153
varispeed wrote: post #104

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This doesn't prove WhatsApp is encrypted at all. It proves that a directory of public keys is being logged and audited. That's it. The protocol existing or being referenced doesn't prove it's what the production client is doing. That requires verifying the client code and behaviour end-to-end, not just the key directory.

Got it, so you can't back it up at all. You just made something up with zero actual evidence and rolled with it.

there have been claims as part of a recent lawsuit, which also influences peoples thinking

see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47738339

https://xcancel.com/BowesChay/status/2042399259316588793 (replies)

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