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Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly 'quadruple tap'

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Post by expedition32 »

yoaviram wrote: post #145
potamic wrote: post #129

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> The logic is to cause difficulties for the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants The beatings will continue until morale improves!

"If we bomb them some more, those poor citizens will surely realize that we're on their side"

Honestly I think we are already passed that.

Religious crazies have taken over Israel and they simply don't value the lives of non Jews. They want those poor citizens gone for more Semitic Lebensraum.

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

kaptcha wrote: post #177
throway23423 wrote: post #151

The first time i saw this concept of the 'double-tap' - to target first-responders to the scene of an earlier strike - was in the movie,' The Hurt Locker' - where it was employed by some ISIS-tier insurgents using a VBIED disguised as an ambulance. Presumably this was intended to show the level of depravity of the terrorists. First time actually seeing this employed in the real world was last year when Israel did a d…

Targeting first responders was already a common strategy in the bombing runs of WW2, used by both sides. This was a reason why bombers attacked in multiple waves.

War is a racket.

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>why bombers attacked in multiple waves

While historians tend to disagree (rightly IMHO) with the severity of the Dresden Bombings, as reported by Kurt Vonnegut (WWII POW @Dresden)... it was definitely a disgraceful targeting-of-civilians, by Allied Forces, for the sake of demonstrating Power, alone.

Complete and utter devastation, no survivor left unravaged.

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War is a racket.

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Post by mxkopy »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #112
mxkopy wrote: post #109

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Nation states generally do not have rights.

The hypothetical “right to exist” is typically juxtaposed against its adversaries’ rights/efforts/privilege to wipe them off the face of the earth. If a nation-state, or ethnoreligious group, has rights, then efforts to destroy it would not gain popular support. Do ethnoreligious groups have a right to survival without suffering genocide? Does the international community, or Security Council, have a duty to prevent g…

You confuse nation state and people in this question. Yes the international community has an obligation to prevent genocide, and the destruction of a nation state if that coincides with the destruction of its people, but these things are not necessarily the same. The Security Council has no obligation to prevent a peaceful union of two states that would make one or both of them cease to exist. Nation states do not have rights, people have rights.

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Post by notepad0x90 »

deaux wrote: post #170
notepad0x90 wrote: post #103

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> Isn't it precisely the anti-zionist sentiment you eschew that resulted in the Oct 7 attacks by Hammas Bringing this up in 2026 when it's abundantly clear there's zero chance the IDF had no idea about the planning of Oct 7, and didn't just let it happen, means there's no point having a conversation. When it's so well known that Israel is the one who have propped up Hamas. > In an interview with Politico in 2023, for…

Whether the IDF knew about the attack or not does not change anything for the argument i made. Unless you're claiming they orchestrated it.

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Post by SilverElfin »

nielsbot wrote: post #154
SilverElfin wrote: post #131

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Yep, and this is the obvious dishonesty of the people who single out Israel. It’s one country with a Jewish culture, where non-Jewish people also prosper in large numbers. But there are MANY officially Islamic nations where there is a state religion, where laws and religion are mixed together, and where violence/oppression of minorities is normalized and welcomed. Not a single pro-Gaza or anti-Israel activist will ac…

What’s dishonest is your racist defense of a murderous and genocidal country that cynically uses Judaism as a shield for war crimes. You should really think deeply about how you’re conflating the Zionist state with the Jewish people… not sure a lot of them are in board with your project. There is no world in which a Jewish-supremacist state is righteous. As for equal rights, it is to laugh. Israel is an apartheid sta…

Your comment is an example of that dishonesty, since you’re ignoring all the Islamic supremacist states while stating your opinion that Israel is supremacist. Something like 20% of Israel’s population are Muslims, and they’re prospering there, so you can’t call it supremacist. On the other hand, officially Islamic nations are explicitly supremacist. They have state religions and laws against blasphemy and rampant systemic discrimination.

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Post by SilverElfin »

22122 wrote: post #147
SilverElfin wrote: post #130

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How do you think Islam spread? Peacefully? Look at history. And look at Islamic texts that preach the subjugation and killing of anyone who isn’t Islamic. It’s much more of a supremacist culture than any other.

islam wasn't the only religion to have an empire. and islam spread through voluntary conversion, for hundreds of years the subjects of the islamic empires remained majority the pre conquest religion. also no muslim empire ever conquered indonesia and malaysia, yet they are two muslim majority countries today.

> islam spread through voluntary conversion

False.

> hundreds of years the subjects of the islamic empires remained majority the pre conquest religion

Even if this was true, which I dispute, Islam imposes all sorts of methods to oppress other religions. Like special taxes for those who aren’t Muslims.

> no muslim empire ever conquered indonesia and malaysia, yet they are two muslim majority countries today

And now these countries have inhumane systems like sharia courts.

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Post by notepad0x90 »

8note wrote: post #111
22122 wrote: post #105

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i dont think crimes define whether states have a right to exist. they just dont have a right to exist. states exist by consent of the governed.

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Post by SilverElfin »

olivermuty wrote: post #156
SilverElfin wrote: post #130

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How do you think Islam spread? Peacefully? Look at history. And look at Islamic texts that preach the subjugation and killing of anyone who isn’t Islamic. It’s much more of a supremacist culture than any other.

Yeah christians would never go crusading like that! Hmmm, I wonder where the word «crusade» comes from though

Who said anything to defend Christianity? Are you really using it to justify Islam calling for violence against people with other beliefs?

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Post by notepad0x90 »

ratrace wrote: post #110
22122 wrote: post #105

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> Israel does not have the right to exist as a state in chronic violation of international law Cool, now enforce it. Oh? You can't? "International law" is just a bunch of words some people wrote down? Okay, thanks for letting me know.

not only can these people not enforce it, the politicians they support think like them, and get in the way of actual meaningful peace. you're telling Israel they can't exist, while at the same time telling them to stop committing atrocities in the name of self-preservation, how does that make sense. It's like their entire view is "Israelis should sit quietly and die" or something. Even if you ask them where Israelis should go, they won't tell you. I think in their mind the Israeli's can move to brooklyn or something, it's insane.
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