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We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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A bit of a non sequitur, but am I the only one finding the use of "she" to refer to the AI in the post jarring?

Probably not the only one, but it's pretty much the least interesting thing to find jarring about the whole experiment. People anthropomorphize. Nobody really finds it "jarring" in most contexts.

Yes, but this is not most contexts. If you're running an "experiment" you should probably not be anthropomorphizing the machine that's being experimented with.

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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"Again, we are not doing this because we want this to be the future. It is not because we want to expand to chain AI-run retail stores across the world. It is not for economic opportunity. We’re doing this because we believe this future is coming regardless, and we’d rather be the ones running it first while monitoring every interaction, analyzing the traces, benchmarking how much autonomy an AI can responsibly hold.…

I honestly thought the whole thing was satire and that that line was a riff on OpenAI.

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"Again, we are not doing this because we want this to be the future. It is not because we want to expand to chain AI-run retail stores across the world. It is not for economic opportunity. We’re doing this because we believe this future is coming regardless, and we’d rather be the ones running it first while monitoring every interaction, analyzing the traces, benchmarking how much autonomy an AI can responsibly hold.…

“Again, we are not doing this because we want the Torment Nexus to be the future. We’re doing this because we believe this future is coming regardless, and we’d rather be the ones running the Torment Nexus.”

The Torment Nexus joke is kind of undermined by obviously being a reference to the Total Perspective Vortex from HGTTG, where the joke was that nothing bad actually happened when they used it on Zaphod.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> CEO When things go shitty, who else would deserve a golden parachute? Respect the position, people, not the person. Or the multi-million dollar compensation.

The position doesn't get a golden parachute, the person does. If you're CEO when things go shitty you shouldn't get anything more than your bottom-line employee would, which is to say you should just be unceremoniously kicked to the curb.

You need a good CEO when things are going bad, because without one they'll go even worse. You still want to make payroll and can't just randomly fire people.

(Also, if you own a failed company you're responsible for cleanup tasks for years afterward.)

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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>For the build-out, she found painters on Yelp, sent an inquiry, gave instructions over the phone, paid them after the job was done, and left a review. She found a contractor to build the furniture and set up shelving.

I'm sure this involved vast amounts of human oversight (e.g. checking that the contractor had actually done stuff) that isn't mentioned.

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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I feel bad that people have to read this. It's complete puffery, made up for clicks, and the biggest thing is the pure bravado with which a company says, "Hey, let's just waste a ton of money, all for a potential blog and marketing piece." This is not really automated in any fashion. I was dubious at first, but then I saw the screencaps showing the devs interacting with Luna via a Slack workflow with a human in the l…

A stopped clock is right twice a day; a broken one can be wrong forever. Just saying.

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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"Again, we are not doing this because we want this to be the future. It is not because we want to expand to chain AI-run retail stores across the world. It is not for economic opportunity. We’re doing this because we believe this future is coming regardless, and we’d rather be the ones running it first while monitoring every interaction, analyzing the traces, benchmarking how much autonomy an AI can responsibly hold.…

It is moral to throw your toddler into the pool so that later in life they are less likely to drown.

Um, yes? Very much so. Infant swimming self-rescue courses are life-saving if you live in an area with a lot of swimming pools, especially if you have one of your own.

E.g., https://www.infantswim.com/

Re: We gave an AI a 3 year retail lease and asked it to make a profit

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> John and Jill are not at risk. This is a controlled experiment and everyone working at Andon Market is formally employed by Andon Labs, with guaranteed pay, fair wages, and full legal protections. No one’s livelihood depends on an AI’s judgment alone. I'm not sure what sort of labor regulations exist in San Francisco, but presumably they can be fired as easily by an AI as a real person, right? If Luna decides to fi…

The article mentions: “John and Jill are not at risk. This is a controlled experiment and everyone working at Andon Market is formally employed by Andon Labs, with guaranteed pay, fair wages, and full legal protections. No one’s livelihood depends on an AI’s judgment alone.” which was refreshing to read.

Literally the two sentences immediately following that quote are "For now. As we continue down this path, however, humans will not be able to stay in the loop and such guarantees will be intractable."

Personally I find the entire tone of the article to be creepy and disturbing.

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