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US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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It uses the phrase “regulate commerce between the states” which effectively has the same meaning.

No. It absolutely does not use that language, and it baffles me as to what would cause you to say that it does. Please endeavor to say only true things. The truth matters.

You're working awfully hard to be pedantic without comparing the actual language:

> to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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VOCs and carcinogens are a health hazard. Asthma, kids development, allergies, and occasional migraine trigger. It’s not random we call it ‘dank’ or ‘skunk’ and if it’s good it should piss off your neighbours. It’s 2026. Dry flower vapes get you higher, with less product, and sparing the lungs. They have a smell more in line with popcorn than a cigarette. They come in everything from one-hitter to portable-volcano. F…

> VOCs and carcinogens are a health hazard. Asthma, kids development, allergies, and occasional migraine trigger.

This is the foundational reasoning for making perfume, air fresheners, deodorant, and scented cleaning supplies illegal to possess or use.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Not the federal government, however. There are specific prohibitions on certain categories of state laws, like granting titles of nobility, creating non-gold/silver currencies, etc. The federal government cannot constitutionally regulate sex positions, because anything not explicitly covered in the Constitution is reserved to the states, or the people. In that broad grant, however, the states individually can make or…

>The federal government cannot constitutionally regulate sex positions, because anything not explicitly covered in the Constitution is reserved to the states, or the people. That being said, there's probably not a constitutional way to enforce laws regulating sex positions. Even if you don't agree that such laws are clearly discriminatory in intent (let alone impact), the privacy violations necessary to prove guilt "…

> That being said, there's probably not a constitutional way to enforce laws regulating sex positions.

Right, but until someone gets arrested for this, nobody has standing to challenge the constitutionality of the law itself. It is one of those unenforceable laws. Even biblical law required witnesses (never just one) before being able to prove adultery.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Circuit courts may not overrule Supreme Court precedent. Accordingly, this decision purports to rest on the “Necessary and Proper” clause, avoiding Wickard (decided on commerce clause grounds)

How does the supreme court revisit precedents if the circuit court doesn't readdress the issue?

Somebody has to bring a new case that presents a novel legal theory/presentation that isn't clearly addressed by the ruling that forms the precedent.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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You have identified a root perversion. Roscoe Filburn’s wheat did not leave Ohio or even his farm. He didn’t offer it for sale; the wheat was for his own use. It was deemed to “affect interstate commerce” and thus within the scope of the interstate commerce clause. With that, a provision intended to remove power of states to tax each other’s goods and services and promote a free trade zone instead became a mechanism…

I don't see SCOTUS ever overturning Wickard , sadly. Too many federal programs and regulations would lose their legal basis if that happened.

I call BS. Wickard is about, effectively, "police power" based on a broad interpretation of the scope of federal/interstate commerce.

As noted by other commenters, the concept of federal control of interstate commerce was intended to prevent states from interfering with trade between themselves and other states, and to create some "higher" authority for aspects of commerce that truly transcended state borders and control.

Most of what has happened in terms of programs and regulations fits very comfortably into that understanding. What doesn't, which I don't think is a lot, should probably go away anyway.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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I think there's a selection effect there that makes it an unrepresentative sample.

First, Gen Alpha is in their teens, so it's kind of hard to say what is happening there or will happen. Second, there is a growing divide between gen Z males that are skewing conservative in some ways. Their church/religious attendance is up, but overall attendance is still down. Gen Z females that are the most liberal demographic in history. The split is both political/social. (US analysis)

>Their church/religious attendance is up

This was debunked, at least in the UK. Not sure about the US but I'll bet it's the same sham (church sponsored) statistics.

I think more of each generation is coming to realise that religion is an outmoded parasite.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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I think much more likely is that it will just be made legal federally sometime in the next decade. Marijuana legalization has majorities across ideologies ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/514007/grassroots-support-legal... ) and even though the inability to create federal law on something so popular seems like a good case study on how the US system doesn't always do a good job representing it's actual people, it seems…

I think the issue is this isn't seen by politicians as a motivating vote driver. It is, however, a motivation for someone to go out and vote against a politician. That's ultimately what keeps things like MJ illegal. There are just far too many people that will get upset about it if it were made federally legal. My state, Idaho, has one such politician that is constantly bringing up and trying to find ways to keep the…

This gets at something I think a lot of people don't really understand. They see polls that show strong support for policy X, and then complain that politicians don't enact it. What they fail to consider is that while a strong majority may be in favor of the policy, it's not the top (or top 3) priority, and they will support candidates that have the opposite position on X, if they support their top priority.

This is situation where well thought out (and moderately constrained) referendum process can help achieve the majority desire for a policy that would not otherwise be considered important enough to drive the selection of representatives.

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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I don't see SCOTUS ever overturning Wickard , sadly. Too many federal programs and regulations would lose their legal basis if that happened.

You’re almost certainly correct. Kagan, Sotomayor, and Jackson would argue this consequentualist line. Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch could be persuaded by textualist or originalist arguments and are the most likely overturn votes. Kavanaugh was a key man on standing up and defending the so-called PATRIOT Act during the George W. Bush administration, so no way he knocks out this pillar. ACB talked a strong originalist ga…

Please suggest one, but ideally three, things that you think that overturning Wickard would lead to that would cause K, S & J to vote against doing so?

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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It got through via a ballot initiative. It wouldn't have been passed by the legislators in UT without that. That's why the guy in my state, C. Scott Grow, has also been fighting to make ballot initiatives harder. He's terrified that an MJ initiative would make it's way in that way.

Republicans in Utah are also trying to remove the power from ballot initiatives because they're upset the Utahans passed an anti-gerrymandering initiative.

Yaeh this is a thing states do. South Dakota went in cahoots with the courts to cancel the ballot initiative to legalize weed, and California went in cahoots with the courts to sabotage prop 8 (the banning of gay marriage).

Re: US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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Do this one next: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich The Supreme Court somehow held that the feds can regulate what you do in your own home (in this case, growing marijuana for personal use) because it could have a butterfly effect on the interstate price. (Constitutionally, the feds can only regulate _interstate_ commerce.)

Our companion case in the Sixth Circuit tees up the issue: https://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/issues/detail/ream-v-us-dep... See the opening brief.

Thank you for your work here. Overcoming the argument that a threat of prosecution doesn't create standing is a huge advancement for the cause of freedom-- in light of Babbitt the state never should have been arguing otherwise nor should the lower court have ruled that way but they were and that line of argument is protecting a lot of facially unconstitutional law.
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