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AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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I read the "boilerplate" in that comment as "basic" meaning "I don't know how to center a div" or "I do not know how to remove duplicates from a collection"

Well both of them are easily retrieved from web search, it's not a problem if you forget one or two. I'll probably need some refreshment if I want to implement bubble sort again.

The topic refers to being on an airplane without internet....

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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I'm currently looking for sort of niche clothes for an event and it's the first time I had to give up on buying online because of the sheer amount of AI-generated pictures. Going to a physical store was just a much better experience, I can't recall the last time this happened, almost all sellers on Etsy are using AI for their pictures.

I do woodworking for a hobby and wanted to find a nice "intro to routers" article. After skimming past the obvious SEO crap on google I clicked the first likely-seeming link and was greeted by an AI slop image of two misshapen routers being operated by three disembodied hands with seventeen fingers each. I immediately threw my laptop out the window, watched it shatter into five hundred pieces, walked across the stree…

Then it turns out that the book was written by an LLM.

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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I had to code something on a plane today. It used to be that you couldn't get you packages or check stackoverflow. But now, I'm useless. My mind has turned to pudding. I cannot remember basic boilerplate stuff. Crazy how fast that goes.

Good news for us Luddites. Keep it up.

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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post #15

I had to code something on a plane today. It used to be that you couldn't get you packages or check stackoverflow. But now, I'm useless. My mind has turned to pudding. I cannot remember basic boilerplate stuff. Crazy how fast that goes.

This conversation keeps missing me because I don't think I've typed out boilerplate in like 20 years. Were people actually physically typing every character of the software they were writing before a couple of years ago?

Couple of years ago I was (as a human being, not my career span) 20. Spare for the usual StackOverflow / blog snippets, that was my experience and I suppose most of those just starting out. I think it's very recent to have fresh grads that barely type code themselves.

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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post #179

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> Are AI “gains” really transformative They're transformative in the sense that will shrink the optimal team size, but I don't expect the jobs to actually go away unless these things both get substantially better at engineering (they're good at generating code but that is like 20% of engineering at best) and we have a means of giving them full business/human levels of context. Really basic stuff gets a lot easier but…

> we have a means of giving them full business/human levels of context Trust me, this is a work in progress. Right now most corporations do not have their data organized and structured well enough for this to be possible, but there is a lot of heat and money in this space. Imo, What most of the people that are not directly working in this space get wrong is assuming swes are going to be hit the hardest: There are som…

> Right now most corporations do not have their data organized and structured well enough for this to be possible, but there is a lot of heat and money in this space.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not really referring to data systems at all, I'm referring to context on what problems are actually being solved by a business. LLMs very clearly do not model outcomes that don't have well-defined textual representations.

I'm not sure that I agree with white collar jobs being done for, not every process has as little consequence to getting it wrong as (most) software does.

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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post #67

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I guess writing code is now like creating punch-cards for old computers. Or even more recently, as writing ASM instead of using a higher level language like C. Now we simply write our "code" in a higher language, natural language, and the LLM is the compiler.

> Now we simply write our "code" in a higher language, natural language, and the LLM is the compiler. No we don't and we never should actually, compilers need to be deterministic.

Why?

Also, give the same programming task to 2 devs and you end up with 2 different solutions. Heck, have the same dev do the same thing twice and you will have 2 different ones.

Determinism seems like this big gotcha, but in it self, is it really?

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

#187

We are collectively out of ideas

So many diseases to solve, nuclear fusion, better materials, expanding the frontier of science, communicating complex ideas to public, climate change, helping disadvantaged communities better, better farming, better participation platforms for good governance. There are so many aspects we can improve on with AI. But it is contingent on our govts prioritizing progess over destruction.

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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post #15

I had to code something on a plane today. It used to be that you couldn't get you packages or check stackoverflow. But now, I'm useless. My mind has turned to pudding. I cannot remember basic boilerplate stuff. Crazy how fast that goes.

I keep seeing this repeated but isn’t it a good thing you don’t remember boilerplate? This is not information that deserves to be memorised.

The fact that this is being called out is strange.

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

#189
post #15

I had to code something on a plane today. It used to be that you couldn't get you packages or check stackoverflow. But now, I'm useless. My mind has turned to pudding. I cannot remember basic boilerplate stuff. Crazy how fast that goes.

This conversation keeps missing me because I don't think I've typed out boilerplate in like 20 years. Were people actually physically typing every character of the software they were writing before a couple of years ago?

Interesting. I don’t think my brother has written boilerplate in 20 years either. He’s a chef.

I on the other hand am a software engineer, so writing code is part of the job title.

Re: AI could be the end of the digital wave, not the next big thing

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post #186
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now we simply write our "code" in a higher language, natural language, and the LLM is the compiler. No we don't and we never should actually, compilers need to be deterministic.

Why? Also, give the same programming task to 2 devs and you end up with 2 different solutions. Heck, have the same dev do the same thing twice and you will have 2 different ones. Determinism seems like this big gotcha, but in it self, is it really?

> Heck, have the same dev do the same thing twice and you will have 2 different ones

"Do the same thing" I need to be pedantic here because if they do the same thing, the exact same solution will be produced.

The compiler needs to guarantee that across multiple systems. How would QA know they're testing the version that is staged to be pushed to prod if you can't guarantee it's the same ?

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