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US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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I think dropping a nuke is not out of question. We just have to watch the language of the U.S administration over the next weeks.

yeah, I think this will escalate further and US might drop a tactical one on some island (military but not heavily inhabited) as a show of power. I don't see a way back out otherwise for US.

The US doesn't need to show power. Using nukes is all downside.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? The only options left for US are large scale bombing, like in Vietnam or Cambodia OR putting soldiers on the ground. Going on for years. Or drop a nuke. Bombing will be of limited use and extremely costly, because is Iran is too large. Its a geographical fortress, mostly large mountain ranges, or deserts. Soldiers on the ground means a large scale…

I think dropping a nuke is not out of question. We just have to watch the language of the U.S administration over the next weeks.

What would that gain?

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VP is an elected official, not appointed by the president. President could sideline him, but his role in the senate cannot be removed except by impeachment.

Like Trump would not write an executive order to fire JD Vance.

He could write an executive order to bring back disco and it'd have the same effect.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Who would you consider reliable news sources for this war? Honest question. AFAIK The USA governement has proven unreliable, even more so than Iran. USA news sources are owned by the same oligarchs owning the governement. Other western sources follow the USA train of thought, with more or less doubt thrown in. Mint from India and Al Jazeera from Qatar (not happy with Iran right now) seem closest to neutral of the pac…

> I am not aware of a reliable Israeli news source. If you consider Al Jazeera a reliable source, then we'll probably disagree on this. But I would say Ynet, Times of Israel, and Jerusalem Post and reliable, just to name some of the big ones with lots of English content online. Or Haaretz for a more anti-government-leaning (but still broadly reliable) publication.

All of those are still ultimately subject to the IDF's military censor, and are not free outlets as such.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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It's very hard to imagine nuclear weapons being used in this conflict.

It was hard to imaigne the United States sticking their nose in the middle east again It was hard to imagine America kidnapping a head of state, the president of Venezuela It was very hard to imagine Amercia threatening annexation of Canada and Greenland Your difficult to imagine world is closer to reality than I think either of us would like

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Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

#186

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yeah, I think this will escalate further and US might drop a tactical one on some island (military but not heavily inhabited) as a show of power. I don't see a way back out otherwise for US.

The US doesn't need to show power. Using nukes is all downside.

Normally yes, but this is the Suez canal moment for US. I think countries stopped caring about US especially in the last year and starting reducing dependence on US economically and politically. So, the unpredictable Trump may try to do something dramatic. China will be the biggest winner of this all.

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Is it? Israel is a rogue state at this point, and it has openly stated that were the US to withdraw, they would use "any means necessary". They seem to not be satisfied by causing global economic harm, they want nuclear annihilation as well.

If they do, they will be exterminated. There is no timeline where Israel comes out victorious if they start using nuclear weapons.

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Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

#188

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The US doesn't need to show power. Using nukes is all downside.

Normally yes, but this is the Suez canal moment for US. I think countries stopped caring about US especially in the last year and starting reducing dependence on US economically and politically. So, the unpredictable Trump may try to do something dramatic. China will be the biggest winner of this all.

The world sentiment is to deintegrate with the US - something Trump campaigned on - and so he is going to do something dramatic? And that dramatic thing is to use nuclear weapons?

Just no. Stop this.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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It was hard to imaigne the United States sticking their nose in the middle east again It was hard to imagine America kidnapping a head of state, the president of Venezuela It was very hard to imagine Amercia threatening annexation of Canada and Greenland Your difficult to imagine world is closer to reality than I think either of us would like

Agree with the general point, but the second example shouldn’t have been that hard to imagine. We’ve done it before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Pana...

And is true about the nukes

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

#190

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I think dropping a nuke is not out of question. We just have to watch the language of the U.S administration over the next weeks.

What would that gain?

I think they will settle that Iran won’t reuse whatever they have of that nuclear fuel if the U.S drops the nukes on the Iranian nuclear sites. Iran may also think twice before rejecting a deal in which they agree to not acquire a nuclear weapon.
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