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Re: I've sold out

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Post by ontouchstart »

karolist wrote: post #124
ontouchstart wrote: post #44

I found out last night via pi.dev. And the new repo of pi didn’t exist yet. I have been working with pi-mono locally for a few months now. Great code base to study. Much higher quality than CC. (I have posted a gist analysis before.) Will keep an eye on the work of these talented engineers and entrepreneurs. Good luck guys!

can you link to that gist? I'd be interested to read through it

I forked pi-mono to freeze it.

Here is a session of pi analyzing coding-agent package itself.

https://ontouchstart.github.io/.pi/agent/sessions/--pi-mono-...

It was created via a non-interactive CLI command in a docker container connected to a local llama.cpp server with a very limited model. $0 token cost.

Re: I've sold out

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Post by tontinton »

wrxd wrote: post #179
tontinton wrote: post #135

Is this a good time to tell you guys that there are many more alternatives, like my very own https://maki.sh ? Shameless plug, yes, but it's free, so I think it's fair :)

This looks cool. Does it support working with local models?

Yes, you can use the dynamic provider to work with any local model you want (see scripts/providers)

Re: I've sold out

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Post by tasuki »

jmaw wrote: post #151
tasuki wrote: post #104

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CC is a steaming pile of vibe-coded bloat. If that rocks your boat, go knock yourself out. Is it better than OpenCode? It's certainly much smaller and doesn't have a client-server architecture - already that is a big win.

You mention the client-server architecture of opencode. Is that a local server or is it calling home to opencode servers? One of the ideas I like about opencode is the ability to prompt and such from a web browser. So I'm curious if that is the client-server architecture you are talking about, or if it's something else. For reference, I used replit for some vibe-ish coding for a little bit and really liked that I cou…

> One of the ideas I like about opencode is the ability to prompt and such from a web browser. So I'm curious if that is the client-server architecture you are talking about, or if it's something else.

Yes, this is what I meant. And yes it's ok that you like this about opencode :)

> For reference, I used replit for some vibe-ish coding for a little bit and really liked that I could easily prompt and view output on my phone when hanging out away from my computer. Or while waiting at the airport for example.

I use Google Jules and also appreciate being able to nudge it forward when not at the computer. In general I often appreciate when things run on other people's machines. However, if I'm to run a thing on my machines, it better be minimalist!

Re: I've sold out

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Post by meowface »

Jgrubb wrote: post #72
colinmarc wrote: post #57

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Pi is a coding agent harness, like Claude Code, but significantly better and more elegant. Here is a good post describing it: https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2026/1/31/pi/ I switched a few months ago and have not looked back. Unfortunately Anthropic blocked access from Claude Subscription users today, but that's a different story.

I switched about a month ago, looked back once for about 10 minutes and decided I'm officially done w CC. I didn't realize what a dull knife CC is until I tried a really sharp one, and that's Pi.

Can you elaborate? I want a maximalist setup. I like that CC and Codex are maximalist. If I install Pi, I am going to end up using oh-my-pi and installing a trillion plugins to get a Claude Code-like experience (or better/more feature-heavy). Is there any point in me even trying Pi, or should I just stick with Claude Code?

Re: I've sold out

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Post by reegnz »

Levitating wrote: post #118
colinmarc wrote: post #57

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Pi is a coding agent harness, like Claude Code, but significantly better and more elegant. Here is a good post describing it: https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2026/1/31/pi/ I switched a few months ago and have not looked back. Unfortunately Anthropic blocked access from Claude Subscription users today, but that's a different story.

I've been using oh-my-pi, for the simple (and possibly naive/stubborn) reason that it doesn't try to get me to install it as global npm dependency in /usr. I am not a web developer, I don't need npm and I don't want it clobbering my /usr (which is immutable on many modern distro's anyway). Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the project to me. oh-my-pi's installer installs a bun bundled binary in my users .local fo…

You can get npm to install into `~/.local`.

Put this into `~/.npmrc`:

```

prefix = ~/.local

```

Bam, `npm install -g` contstrained to your `~/.local`

Re: I've sold out

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Post by reegnz »

politelemon wrote: post #137
Levitating wrote: post #118

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I've been using oh-my-pi, for the simple (and possibly naive/stubborn) reason that it doesn't try to get me to install it as global npm dependency in /usr. I am not a web developer, I don't need npm and I don't want it clobbering my /usr (which is immutable on many modern distro's anyway). Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the project to me. oh-my-pi's installer installs a bun bundled binary in my users .local fo…

They're friendly for the user audience that doesn't care about these things. The location is a minor issue compared to many of the capabilities they come with. For the slightly more tech savvy, they should really be running these harnesses in a contained environment with net cap dropped, for instance.

You can add that via an extension: https://github.com/carderne/pi-sandbox

The price of flexibility is, pi is not opinionated about adding sandboxing out-of-the-box, it gives you options on how you want to do it. You either do it with linux containers, with a dedicated VM, or just bubblewrap. It is nice that it gives you a way to hook into it in a very easy way though.

Re: I've sold out

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Post by girvo »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #144
girvo wrote: post #64

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> I was prototyping something with pi under the hood for a personal project, going to switch off it now. For what it's worth, it's pretty straightforward to recreate it I found, at least it's base idea. Readline w/ nice output is a bit of a pain, but still, doable, and if you don't care about that part of it, then the overall agent loop that you'd build on top of? You could build it, I promise.

What you are suggesting might sound difficult to some people, it is possible: in the last week I co-wrote (with Antigravity with Claude as the backend) an Emacs package for agentic coding that also just uses ‘rg’ for finding relevant code for the context, call out to a model, and handle creating a diff with merging tools. I love using my own code that provides inside Emacs vibe coding and I would suggest others try b…

Exactly! The actual base loop of these agents is remarkably simple.

https://github.com/girvo/girvent this is my silly one :)

Re: I've sold out

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Post by lxgr »

abbracadabbra wrote: post #185

Well written. OpenClaw appears to be a fad but this writeup suggests pi is worth understanding & using for the long term

OpenClaw (the idea) is amazing: Obvious in hindsight, deceptively simple. In the end, it’s really just taking “what if we gave an agent access to personal data and communication channels as context” and running with it, nevermind the consequences. But so are many groundbreaking new ideas!

OpenClaw (the software project) is one of the worst messes I’ve ever seen in any git repository. Security, capabilities, simplicity, and they chose at most one.

Re: I've sold out

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Post by cyanydeez »

raincole wrote: post #114
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #108

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> who made public that OpenClaw is based on pi. I haven't kept up with the various claw stuff, but isn't openclaw the one under MIT on github? What does "made public" mean in this context?

"Write a blog post about the fact and make it well known"

its like open source doxxing i guess. when openclaw sold out, it didnt take much to find its dependencies.
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