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Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by acheron »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #114
mr_toad wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s practically impossible to take pictures of a famous monument without having other people in the frame (usually they’re posing for photos themselves). AI can remove them, with varying degrees of success.

Ironically, it would probably be easier for the AI to generate the photo of the monument without the people. I mean, for famous monuments, whatever photo you're about to take, you could find 10 better ones already on-line, taken from the same point and perspective, and uploaded to Flickr or Instagram or wherenot.

Weren’t Samsung phones doing something like this? If you tried to take a picture with the moon in it, it would just generate an image of the moon?

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Post by _trampeltier »

kstrauser wrote: post #175
ghaff wrote: post #103

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In fact, pre smartphones more or less, bringing cameras into even an office workplace was generally pretty controlled. Still is under some circumstances.

I banned them from our office and while using work-issued computers. There’s no circumstance here in which someone should be working with a personal camera aimed at their screen.

Recently someone showd me a cellphone picture from something he saw in our company. He was not brave enought to make a screenshot (with the companys computer), so he made just a photo with his cellphone from the screen. So, this is a thing.

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Post by j-bos »

Terr_ wrote: post #102
verandaguy wrote: post #36

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It can be simultaneously true that smart glasses are a technological marvel and a privacy nightmare. It's also important to consider that while many places have some legal framework along the lines of "no reasonable expectation of privacy in public spaces," there's a social-psychological gap between that and the presumption of being constantly recorded, be it by other private individuals or governments. Because of th…

IMO much of the "no reasonable expectation" stuff is simply wrong, or treats things as an unreasonable binary. For example, there's no reasonable expectation that singing to myself in public won't be recorded. But almost everyone in public does reasonably-assume that their every step isn't being permanently logged by a stalking drone swarm.

That genie's out of the bottle, couple cheap cameras with cheap AI recognition and tracking, and every network getting pwned by somebody the result is, public spaces become obscenely public. The worst is private spaces, like when a technician or tradesman comes to one's house to do work wearing smart glasses. If they're Rx, what do you do? Refuse service? live with the broken pipe/modem?

No opinion on the decision from OP's post, just noting that, privacy is getting 86'd six ways to Sunday. All that's left are truly owned homes and natural spaces, and Orwell laid the pattern for both.

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Post by danaris »

wood_spirit wrote: post #93
plorg wrote: post #67

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The whole point of contention is that one of the spaces is, effectively, the only convenient places to have a quick, heretofore private, conversation. No one is confused over where the things are.

There should be rooms assigned for these private conversations. But I imagine even these rooms are cammed, and lip reading is a thing

It seems likely that if there were spaces that could (both physically and politically) be assigned for this, they already would have been.

Sure, it would be great if we could have nice things like that, but all too often we need to work with the infrastructure we have.

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

neya wrote: post #88
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #68

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If you're a TikToker, absolutely

TikTokers aren't exactly the gold standards of society nor is being a TikToker a free card to violate people's privacy though. What's to say if someone confronts and requests the TikToker to stop recording them without their permission?

They just... don't stop. What're you gonna do, take away the camera, hit them? Then they have great content and can sue you for assault. There's millions of people out there that are filming without consent every single day, for content.

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Post by kakacik »

randallsquared wrote: post #142

The vibe around smart glasses is so weird: Governments and businesses can record in public, which is right and proper, but if an individual person records what they see, that's wrong and creepy.

Everything is effin' creepy, your rights end where my start and all that. And I will guard my and my family privacy with closed fist traveling at non-trivial speed to face of folks deliberately wearing such glasses and recording, pedophiles or not. Its also punishable by law to record people without prior consent where I live (Switzerland), and not just theoretically on paper.

Since fighting government is extremely hard, lets tackle lower hanging fruit above first and try for the best case scenario later. Also, government can claim its primarily for security, whether true or not depends on the case but private folks can hardly claim that.

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Post by rsstack »

Xylakant wrote: post #75
kettlecorn wrote: post #73

Side note: OP's account is named "Philadelphia" and this appears to be the first Philly related thing they've posted since 2013.

Philadelphia is a cheese brand in Germany, maybe they just like that. Or the movie.

Philadelphia cheese brand is from New York. Presumably, the German market licenses the brand but produces locally in Europe and doesn't import from the US (New York and Wisconsin).

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Post by halapro »

randallsquared wrote: post #142

The vibe around smart glasses is so weird: Governments and businesses can record in public, which is right and proper, but if an individual person records what they see, that's wrong and creepy.

To be fair cameras on every fn corner is also creepy. But cameras on uncle Ronny are creepier because they're closer and they're usually pointed at glutes.

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Post by ghaff »

hansvm wrote: post #153
ghaff wrote: post #138

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I don’t know. Maybe I could worked with HR for more but our employee manual said they would pay for two weeks and this was a company that was generally pretty understanding about personal matters. Certainly an hourly employee or someone self employed is probably not getting any sort of a deal. I wouldn’t have been fired (which seems a different case) but being largely unable to, say, make sales calls or other externa…

If you perform nearly any work at all in a given week you're entitled to your salary, and they can't fire you. They might be able to take away the $15/day stipend from your pay, and there are obvious additional negatives (6 months with limited context and practice of your craft will reduce your performance when you get back too), but that 2-week cap is a lawsuit waiting to happen unless they also forbid you from doin…

As I say grand jury duty is often not every day, you can always take your PTO, and there are always nights and weekends. A company can always keep paying your base salary but, as you say, there could be longer term consequences.

And the case upthread is obviously a retail manager being stupid but I also assume there is no obligation to pay hourly employees for hours they don’t work or for tips they didn’t collect.

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Post by jprjr_ »

InitialLastName wrote: post #150
foodevl wrote: post #135

My dad wears smart glasses because he's nearly deaf and the classes show captions for the person he's talking to. They're great. He doesn't use or care at all about the camera. Having the captions would be very useful to him in a courtroom setting. Collateral damage I guess.

Putting aside that judges can make exceptions when circumstances warrant, one would think that this function (providing live captioning of the proceedings) would be a reasonable accommodation that courts should be able to provide. Especially now that every courtroom is (or can be) equipped for sound and video to support remote operation, it shouldn't be too difficult to support a display with the captioning via the c…

There's already a stenographer recording the proceeding, right? I'd think you could project what they're recording onto a display somewhere.
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