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Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by danny_codes »

avazhi wrote: post #180
danny_codes wrote: post #179

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Wild take. The government can label you a protester anytime and, apparently by your logic, track everything you do. It’s a slippery slope, probably ending in some nastiness. Instead, we could focus our efforts on expanding opportunities, improving social mobility, providing housing, providing education, improving access to social services and community.. you know, stuff we know works from sociological research.

Ok, so they can track me. I don't really give a fuck? It's not the end of the world. As for all the 'efforts', expanding opportunities and improving social mobility is pretty nebulous, as are 'improving access to social services and community'. Essentially it seems like you've written a screed for the lower class, but I think neither of us qualify as being part of it. So are you talking about the educated middle clas…

There is little difference between any people except opportunity availability.

Wealthier people should advocate for less fortunate peers. It’s the right thing to do.

There are plenty of countries with much better social mobility than the US. We need only adopt what’s been shown to work.

Your rhetoric is concerning. It seems you don’t consider poor people as worthy as yourself of social support, or that poor people are somehow different from you. You are simply relatively lucky. , as am I. The difference seems that I acknowledge luck

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

danny_codes wrote: post #181
avazhi wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so they can track me. I don't really give a fuck? It's not the end of the world. As for all the 'efforts', expanding opportunities and improving social mobility is pretty nebulous, as are 'improving access to social services and community'. Essentially it seems like you've written a screed for the lower class, but I think neither of us qualify as being part of it. So are you talking about the educated middle clas…

There is little difference between any people except opportunity availability. Wealthier people should advocate for less fortunate peers. It’s the right thing to do. There are plenty of countries with much better social mobility than the US. We need only adopt what’s been shown to work. Your rhetoric is concerning. It seems you don’t consider poor people as worthy as yourself of social support, or that poor people ar…

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by Schmerika »

cbeach wrote: post #178
Schmerika wrote: post #177

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> Thank you for being honest about where you get your news from (the links at the bottom of the post). This helps explain your worldview. What a weird leap to make. Nope, I just searched to find those; with a search engine. > I would recommend trying Ground News, which helped me understand the biases within sources, and helped showed me the blindspots in news coverage that I'd missed. I know Ground News; thanks thoug…

Gaza lost a war it started. The civilian casualties could have been avoided if it hadn't started the war. Iran is losing a war it started (by attacking Israel with hundreds of missiles, attacking civilian shipping, sponsoring terror groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis who commit regular attrocities). These wars are "total wars." Total war is the only option left to Israel and its allies, because as long as H…

Defending the idea that large-scale civilian harm is acceptable is where your argument, such as it is, becomes truly dangerous.

Aside from all your debunked claims, and aside from your ahistorical misunderstandings of very recent history... Trying to justify "total war" against a mostly civilian population - ~50% of whom are children - is so, so far beyond the pale that I truly do not know how to reach you. For that reason, I'm out of this conversation.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by avazhi »

danny_codes wrote: post #181
avazhi wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so they can track me. I don't really give a fuck? It's not the end of the world. As for all the 'efforts', expanding opportunities and improving social mobility is pretty nebulous, as are 'improving access to social services and community'. Essentially it seems like you've written a screed for the lower class, but I think neither of us qualify as being part of it. So are you talking about the educated middle clas…

There is little difference between any people except opportunity availability. Wealthier people should advocate for less fortunate peers. It’s the right thing to do. There are plenty of countries with much better social mobility than the US. We need only adopt what’s been shown to work. Your rhetoric is concerning. It seems you don’t consider poor people as worthy as yourself of social support, or that poor people ar…

> There is little difference between any people except opportunity availability.

Are you suggesting that genetics don’t overwhelmingly determine a person’s intelligence and personality?

I take it as uncontroversial that intelligence is a sine qua non of taking advantage of opportunities, but you may also disagree about that.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by cbeach »

Schmerika wrote: post #183
cbeach wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaza lost a war it started. The civilian casualties could have been avoided if it hadn't started the war. Iran is losing a war it started (by attacking Israel with hundreds of missiles, attacking civilian shipping, sponsoring terror groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis who commit regular attrocities). These wars are "total wars." Total war is the only option left to Israel and its allies, because as long as H…

Defending the idea that large-scale civilian harm is acceptable is where your argument, such as it is, becomes truly dangerous. Aside from all your debunked claims, and aside from your ahistorical misunderstandings of very recent history... Trying to justify "total war" against a mostly civilian population - ~50% of whom are children - is so, so far beyond the pale that I truly do not know how to reach you. For that…

I'm not defending civilian harm. I'm defending the sovereign rights of a country to defend its civilians from warmongering neighbours.

Gaza doesn't get a free pass to fire rockets at Israeli towns, invade it, and massacre thousands of its civilians on the basis that Gaza's population is allegedly 50% children.

In your world view, at what point would Israel be entitled to fight back against Gaza? How many Nova Festivals before Israel is allowed to defend itself?

And what is Israel allowed to do, bearing in mind Gaza's government urges its civilians to "bare their chests" to Israel (i.e. act as human shields), and Gaza bases military assets in schools and hospitals (well documented)?

I'm interested to know which of my arguments has been "debunked"?

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by port11 »

cbeach wrote: post #123
gip wrote: post #85

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Surprised by this take. Building a startup is already insanely hard. So I wouldn’t like to add more challenge by spending time integrating with non-US services if they are not top just because of my political views. I feel a better answer is for Europe to build real, competitive alternatives to US services.

I love seeing companies set meritocracy aside for partisan political posturing. All people who run companies should relish their competition behaving sub-optimally.

I love seeing regular people defend meritocracy as if we didn’t have plenty of examples of how the game is rigged and money-is-power-is-political-influence.

God forbid a business makes some ethical choices.

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