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Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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> I was astounded hanging out with my friends in person last weekend how every one of them at some point pulled out their phone mid conversation to watch TikTok, or Wordle, or whatever. To kill time, sometimes I watch those random "America's Funniest Videos" type videos where it's some random family at home and something funny/weird/etc. happens. I've started noticing that in almost all of them now, everyone is just…

30 years ago they'd all have been staring at TVs in their respective rooms. 50 years ago they'd be reading their own newspapers and magazines. The name changes but the song remains the same; people have their own interests, even within a family, that aren't shared with others. I wouldn't bore my partner by monologuing about my hobbies, and she likewise. At least we're in the same room together.

Reading was a hobby most people chose not to engage in that much. If you read books/novels etc for 6 hours per day, people would remark on that like "he reads a lot", often asking you to put down your books to join them in whatever activity.

Few people would have had their own TVs in their room 30 years ago. That wasn't common. They were huge, expensive, and not remotely interesting enough to capture the attention of most people for prolonged periods. It was common to have family rituals where there was about 2-3 hours of watching TV during/after dinner together. That was when they aired a movie after some news.

Even game consoles, if you could afford them, really wouldn't capture your attention that much. Nobody plays Super Mario every day for hours weeks on end. And at least to us that was just another social activity anyways. We didn't play these by ourselves.

But I think all that misses the point. You would be doing pretty much none of these in place of another social activity. They either were a social activity, or they filled in otherwise dead time.

When you're having dinner with your friends or family and everyone is looking at their phone, that is replacing something. I remember getting playing cards and chatting at the dinner table when I was young. Nowadays people just get out their phone or disappear to other personal devices as soon as they are done eating if there's any dinner ritual left at all.

Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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The fact that I couldn't turn off shorts recommendations on youtube is just so, so annoying. It's such a time sink and I'm glad that the tides are finally shifting against addictive algorithms like these.

I use this extension on desktop and Firefox mobile to block shorts. They also support chrome (idk about chrome mobile).

https://github.com/Vulpelo/hide-youtube-shorts?tab=readme-ov...

You can also look at NewPipe on Android if you want an alternative YouTube app rather than web mode. Needless to say it's a real shame you have to work this hard to hide shorts...

Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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We all know they're addictive, they're designed to be addictive, and they're very, very harmful, to both adults and children. The individuals who are profiting from the harm are clearly identifiable. And that harm directly targets children. That this is allowed to continue is a symptom of a sick society.

Early FB was bad enough when it was your actual friends posting the best (or made up) bits of their lives - and you were only scrolling when you had nothing better to do. Did you know kids, there was a time when the feed was ordered by time and you knew the people who posted stuff?

It's a shame we can't have nice things. An actual non-abusive social medium for people to share things like this - I'd use it. But I see that as soon as there is money on the table, it's a race to the bottom, sooner or later.

Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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I have no love for social media, but I also really don't like the idea of the government regulating how apps are designed, or trying to circumnavigate online privacy to "protect children" which where I see this whole thing going. On another note, personally I'm not sure I buy the "addictive" argument with social media, maybe its just me but I find social media pretty boring, but I think for a lot of younger people it…

It's wild to me how many people are willing to throw basic civil liberties overboard because they don't like the other guys. Today's media circus is about addictive social media. Before that it was video games and rock music and D&D clubs. Before that it the Satanic panic of the 80s, gay 'recruitment', Soviet spies. Much before that it was witches and heretics. And so on and so on, forever. If you have a choice, mayb…

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Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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I think the issue people are not acknowledging is that social media and apps and phones are addictive because they are fun . People are addicted to having fun, and to outlaw the addiction is to literally make fun illegal. Let me take half a step backward from that provocative stance. Of course we don't need to outlaw all fun, but we perhaps we really do need to outlaw some fun, to prevent people from overindulgence.…

To me social media was more fun before the addictive patterns started appearing. And HN is one of the most fun social media sites there is and it doesn't have those addictive patterns.

Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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its called freedom, do we really need the government to protect us from everything they deem bad or unhealthy?

At some point we end up defending the freedom for corporations to exploit people though. I think addiction is one of those times. If a company has a product that relies on addiction mechanisms to succeed, that is a different situation, that is a corporate entity exploiting citizens for profit. Cigarettes are a great example of where we can draw lines in the sand. If you want to smoke them go ahead you have that freed…

But an adult is and should be allowed to develop a nicotine addiction. The reason why people do above all else is that nicotine is an intoxicant and (to most people) pretty pleasant. It's a rational choice.

It's addictive, but the price of quitting is a few weeks of cravings. It's not like alcohol (which is relatively uncontroversial) or opiates.

Don't let them sell to kids. Include scary images on the box. Whatever you do, the truth is that human beings like their drugs and this one isn't really that bad.

Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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post #158

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its called freedom, do we really need the government to protect us from everything they deem bad or unhealthy?

At some point we end up defending the freedom for corporations to exploit people though. I think addiction is one of those times. If a company has a product that relies on addiction mechanisms to succeed, that is a different situation, that is a corporate entity exploiting citizens for profit. Cigarettes are a great example of where we can draw lines in the sand. If you want to smoke them go ahead you have that freed…

I won't use new Reddit because of its infinite scroll but old Reddit you have to press next which I find doesn't keep me as addicted

I wish all companies had to provide a non infinite scroll option for their products, YouTube, Facebook, Google, Tiktok

Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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My wife and I parental lock each other’s iPhones. I have social media but have to go to my PC to check it. This friction makes a world of difference. I was astounded hanging out with my friends in person last weekend how every one of them at some point pulled out their phone mid conversation to watch TikTok, or Wordle, or whatever. They thought I was the weird one when I mentioned all social media sites and apps are…

> I was astounded hanging out with my friends in person last weekend how every one of them at some point pulled out their phone mid conversation to watch TikTok, or Wordle, or whatever. To kill time, sometimes I watch those random "America's Funniest Videos" type videos where it's some random family at home and something funny/weird/etc. happens. I've started noticing that in almost all of them now, everyone is just…

The thing I noticed early on is going to VERY nice resorts and seeing families at dinner all on their phones.

I'm talking around $800/night at a beautiful hotel or island resort, perfect scenery, and a couple both scrolling videos.

This is what I keep in my head when I find the urge (and it happens) to pull out my phone and doom scroll around family.

Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point we end up defending the freedom for corporations to exploit people though. I think addiction is one of those times. If a company has a product that relies on addiction mechanisms to succeed, that is a different situation, that is a corporate entity exploiting citizens for profit. Cigarettes are a great example of where we can draw lines in the sand. If you want to smoke them go ahead you have that freed…

But an adult is and should be allowed to develop a nicotine addiction. The reason why people do above all else is that nicotine is an intoxicant and (to most people) pretty pleasant. It's a rational choice. It's addictive, but the price of quitting is a few weeks of cravings. It's not like alcohol (which is relatively uncontroversial) or opiates. Don't let them sell to kids. Include scary images on the box. Whatever…

Should an adult be allowed to develop a heroin addiction? Why or why not?

Re: Fear and denial in Silicon Valley over social media addiction trial

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post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point we end up defending the freedom for corporations to exploit people though. I think addiction is one of those times. If a company has a product that relies on addiction mechanisms to succeed, that is a different situation, that is a corporate entity exploiting citizens for profit. Cigarettes are a great example of where we can draw lines in the sand. If you want to smoke them go ahead you have that freed…

But an adult is and should be allowed to develop a nicotine addiction. The reason why people do above all else is that nicotine is an intoxicant and (to most people) pretty pleasant. It's a rational choice. It's addictive, but the price of quitting is a few weeks of cravings. It's not like alcohol (which is relatively uncontroversial) or opiates. Don't let them sell to kids. Include scary images on the box. Whatever…

>But an adult is and should be allowed to develop a nicotine addiction.

Says who? Addiction is never rational, that's what makes it addiction. Ffs.

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