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Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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NO TICKET

I wonder how many people got this reference. Anyway, for those who did not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCZ86O3PO-U

Could have also gone for Dogma (which of course references that clip) https://youtu.be/PpckOsftaP4?si=DDlDY3ZK7FoUcKrn&t=41

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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I don’t think United airlines has the authority to do that. That is to say, do you really want a federal law passed about this? I vote we go with social shaming. Worked for cigarettes.

Of course they do - they modified their contract of carriage - which you basically agree to why buy a flight ( https://www.united.com/en/us/fly/contract-of-carriage.html ) it’s the same mechanism they use to deny you boarding if you are barefoot etc.

Sorry friend, I sarcastically was saying united cannot enforce their rules in cafes et. al.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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But kicking someone off mid-flight at high altitude is still a bit harsh. I hope they give them parachutes at least.

FUN FACT: Aviation rules require that any plane carrying a parachute must have at least one for every person on board. Hopefully the reason is obvious. Now given that, do you really want to pay the extra cost of flying with 300 parachutes just so mr-full-volume-phone can have one?

That is an incredibly fun fact. Does this only apply to commercial or also a little Cessna? Presumably there is no actual enforcement on the private planes.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise. I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others. The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security. Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights…

> I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others.

In my European travels I’ve definitely seen it. It depends entirely on the region. Europe is a big place. I’ve encountered it in Asian countries too. Again, Asia is huge and diverse.

Not coincidentally, it’s the same in the United States. I’ve never seen this on the local commuter train with people traveling to and from work. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it on a flight (flight attendants did intervene and request they stop).

Let’s not try to make this into another “America bad” topic because this is not a uniquely American problem.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Only if they paid extra at check-in.

And you specifically have to request it. It isn’t a normal option during purchase.

Nah, with how ticketing is these days they'll bug you a dozen times to choose between the $50 basic economy disaster package that only has the mask and 50% airflow or the full package for $100 that includes another 25% airflow and a flotation device. Business execute gets you the parachute, a private life raft, and a few days of MREs for $250.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Hanlon's razor applies. Yes, some people have a bad case of the main character syndrome simply because nobody has ever called them out on it.

Usually they have been called out on it a time or two. They are often signaling that if you want to stop them, you'll have to use violence, and look -- no one or almost no one is willing to do that. There are a couple of us who have actually seen someone call them out that are warning folks here what commonly happens. I saw someone get attacked with a knife, another commenter here had a gun pulled on him when they as…

I think we're talking about two different groups of people. The ones I mean don't look dangerous, just self-absorbed. The ones you mean I don't have much experience of, they're not common around here. And they're certainly not common on airplanes.

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I’m sure it is, much of the time. But I also believe many people are just completely self absorbed and devoid of empathy.

I am self-absorbed and devoid of empathy but it is still easy to logically deduce that other people don't want to hear my games, videos, or phone calls.

Being devoid of empathy would mean you may realize that people don't want to hear your shit, but you wouldn't care what other people want

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise. I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others. The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security. Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights…

I am astonished how many people now use speakerphone as their default interaction. On subway, go train, in grocery stores, on the streets, sometimes even in the office, they blast their conversations with zero care. And so yes, I've definitely seen and experienced people watching inane tiktoks on speaker in subway or bus or airplane. It's the epitome of complete lack of empathy or self awareness to me, but I guess th…

I've seen it everywhere except airplanes. I don't recall ever seeing it on planes. How often have you seen that? Do passengers or flight attendants do anything? How does the person respond?

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? I’ll cross the road when it’s clear. I don’t blast music in public places though.

> How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? They said “walk out into traffic.” That’s rude. You should wait for a signal or a break in the flow so nobody has to brake for you.

Walking into traffic in an undesignated crossing is rude (and illegal). Likewise with trying to cross at an intersection when traffic has the green light.

But when there’s a designated crossing area, it’s the responsibility of traffic to stop. Pedestrians should not stand and wait at the intersection for a break in traffic because it’s a confusing signal to drivers. If you’re standing at a designated crosswalk you need to be either signaling your intent to cross or moving away from the crosswalk

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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In America, a small number of people derive pleasure from being disruptive to everybody, and blasting music on public transit with captive audiences is a very "traditional" way of fucking with people and expressing your broad contempt for their society. I'd estimate that maybe one in five times you get on a city bus in America, you'll encounter somebody like this. Very rarely does anybody call them out or otherwise t…

Pretty sure on planes this is more ignorance than malice. It’s self absorbed people that are too selfish to consider someone else might not want to hear what they’re watching, rather than some deliberate anti society thing. Regardless, no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.

> no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.

Okay this is ridiculous. One is a fire hazard and the other is not. Do you really need the hyperbole here?

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