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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by Hikikomori »

breppp wrote: post #170
ahf8Aithaex7Nai wrote: post #69

I am German. My government does not acknowledge the tragedy that has been unfolding in Gaza since the Hamas attack in October 2023. It’s absurd. Since then, Jewish people in Berlin who were demonstrating alongside Palestinians against the war in Gaza have been beaten down by the German police. In 2021, Esther Bejarano, the last survivor of the Auschwitz Girls’ Orchestra, passed away in Hamburg. Whenever she commented…

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>and unfortunately for us the palestinians political leadership has brought us all into this scenario

Simply not true. The plan from the start was to take over the area for jews, see Ben Gurions private letters. Netanyahu has supported Hamas to make sure that Palestine couldn't be politically united to be able to continue taking over the west bank. The power balance has since long been tipped to one side that is engineering the situation.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by kshacker »

0x3f wrote: post #24
kshacker wrote: post #17

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We (and I) have become desensitized. When I saw one of these for the first time about 25 years ago, I was thinking about it for a week. Maybe longer. Because it was new, internet was new, and the video (not the same but it really does not matter) was the first time I saw it for ... real, felt it for real. But after seeing a 100 of these, after knowing some of these are AI, after seeing news of a 1000 more ... I mean…

Well, it's also compartmentalized isn't it. It's happening remotely, even if you're buliding the targetting systems or something like that. It's still all abstracted. And as sympathetic as I might be otherwise, everyone is prone to dramatization and histrionics, which has a numbing tendency too. On both sides.

Yes that's the other part. Suppose I build a high performance on-device caching solution that allows computes on a drone to run 10X faster ... I am not really thinking about the drone, just the caching solution

PS: I have no knowledge of drones or caching solutions. Just saying.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by cogman10 »

verbify wrote: post #175
cogman10 wrote: post #146

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Wrong. Gaza and the West Bank aren't countries, they have no autonomy. Palestine isn't a country, it was once where Israel now sits, but hasn't been since the 40s. Palestinians are people, must like Jews are people. Palestinians are the indigenous inhabitants of Israel, the west bank, and gaza. Much like all Jews aren't responsible for the actions of Israel, All Palestinians aren't responsible for the actions of Hama…

> Palestine isn't a country, it was once where Israel now sits, but hasn't been since the 40s. In the 40s, the British were ruling Palestine as a mandate, I wouldn’t really call that a country.

Fair enough. I should say that it was the name of the region as they've basically not been fully autonomous in modern history. But prior to the establishment of Israel, they were basically just left alone by both the Ottomans and Brittan.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by ignoramous »

urig wrote: post #171

As an Israeli, this is an inexcusable crime by IDF soldiers. Appallingly, I expect them to receive no punishment. My country's government is criminally racist.

> IDF soldiers

Hopefully, such trigger-happy soldiers are in the minority.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by ebbi »

ActorNightly wrote: post #173
ebbi wrote: post #159

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Every single person is a product of their circumstances. If you personally were to grow up in either country, the neural network in your brain would be trained with a way different set of data compared to what you experienced, and you would be a different person. I don't have sympathy or hated for either side, this is just a byproduct of being human.

Are you trying to justify or minimize families being killed for no reason?

I don't get your response in context of what I posted. There are truths, and pointing out someone that goes against that truth shouldn't have to worry about circumstances - especially if those circumstances have been widely documented to be violence since its inception.

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Post by breppp »

Hikikomori wrote: post #181
breppp wrote: post #170

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>and unfortunately for us the palestinians political leadership has brought us all into this scenario Simply not true. The plan from the start was to take over the area for jews, see Ben Gurions private letters. Netanyahu has supported Hamas to make sure that Palestine couldn't be politically united to be able to continue taking over the west bank. The power balance has since long been tipped to one side that is engi…

"We must seek agreement and understanding with the Arab people only through the Arab worker, and only an alliance of Jewish and Arab workers will establish and maintain an alliance of the Jewish and Arab peoples in Palestine"

That's a Ben Gurion quote, who was a socialist and believed in shared class struggle of Jews and Arabs. The rest of your comment is influenced by other lack of nuance

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by morgengold »

I have no doubt isreali forces are responsible for a lot of war crimes. At the same time i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.
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