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Bill C-22, the Lawful Access Act: Dangerous backdoor surveillance risks remain

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Policymakers automatically are assuming that private corporate infrastructure owned by national businesses and/or businesses operating in the country should be made as part of a surveillance apparatus. This is peak ignorance. The US cloud act makes this assumption without explicitly claiming such.

And I think here lies the opportunity for challenging this in court.

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post #121

The endgame is clear. Mass surveillance combined with AI agents. Would almost be like having a personal government spy watching each individual person.

Yup, it makes living in stalinist Russia seem like a libertarian paradise People don't seem to understand how incredibly oppressive society is becoming

They do and they like it. That's what libertarians don't get. Majority of people do support such measures.

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> A lot of us strongly push against these types of measures not because we have anything to hide nor because we are on the side of the criminals. I had this view as well until I realized it’s predicated on living in a high trust society. At some point you reach a critical mass of crime that is so rampant, and the rule of law has so broken down that it’s basically Mad Max out there, and then these idealistic philosoph…

"He who gives up a little freedom for security deserves neither"

The issue I have with this quote is that it implies that some people deserve freedom and others do not.

I think a better way to phrase it would be:

> he who gives up a little freedom for a little security ends up with neither

Re: Bill C-22, the Lawful Access Act: Dangerous backdoor surveillance risks remain

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post #29

The problem for all 5 eyes (or 9 or 14) is that our co-operation dates back to the cold war and the institutions and thinking have not caught up to current geo-political and technical changes. If anything we are accelerating our co-operation at a time when many voters are seriously questioning the future of the US alliance. I wish some of our leaders would be more forthcoming about the amount of foreign pressure thei…

Silence? Didn't Canada's prime minister give some very loud speeches regarding the US and the changing geopolitical landscape, and start making deals in response to such?

No he bent the knee pretty badly and made a few headline sounds deals that do little to impact Canada's standing. Frankly Canada doesn't really have any choices the USA will never allow them to "distance" themselves and Canada doesn't really get a choice in the matter.

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Regarding warrantless searches and access ... reading the text of the bill (OP link) warrants seem to be required. Simple, right? Well, no, this is a recently inserted block of text in the bill (confirm at the link above): Exception (2. 7)(b) However, a copy of the warrant is not required to be given to a person under subsection (2. 6) if the judge or justice who issues the warrant sets aside the requirement in respe…

I think warrantless access, deanonymising the internet, etc, are things that go together. If you want auto-governance (technocracy), to micro-manage every citizen, these are the foundations you need. As it is already determined that this is what will be happening, no amount of discussion will make a material change - the legislation is going in whether people want it or not. The individual justifications for each legal step in the construction are either going to be done with low visibility, or a trope like ('for the children/terrorists') will be wheeled out. Works every time, so why change?

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The Prisoner’s Dilemma has been shown to have significantly limited applicability in real-world scenarios. This has been covered again and again and again.

Its not the dilema part that has been proven. If you basically see other people not cooperating and profiting, the incentive is there for you to do the same.

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Why would you think Canada is fine when the government can freeze your accounts at will? Why should Trump's actions be the measure to okay to Canada's measures against personal freedom? Trump and Canada can both take away personal freedoms and both are bad.

Because Canada did it in regards to people specifically going against public safety. Trump does it to people who hurt his ego.

And again, the only argument against this is "well you don't want to have the government have power to deem anyone as in breach of public safety in case there is a tyrannical government that misuses this power"

which is hilarious because people think a tyrannical government is going to give 2 fucks about laws in the first place, which is literally happening today.

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“Canada is doing just fine” Found the federal govt employee or boomer who bought real estate in the 90s

Im not even Candadian, but are you implying that Canada has mass homelessness?

Re: Bill C-22, the Lawful Access Act: Dangerous backdoor surveillance risks remain

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post #163

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"He who gives up a little freedom for security deserves neither"

I never understood this quote. I happily gave up the freedom of driving without a seatbelt for security, what does that say about me?

Exactly nothing because you can release the seat belt yourself.

It's about giving up freedoms you might never get back, because it's not your decision anymore after giving them up.

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