I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion
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Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion
#182> it depends on what you enjoy: the journey or the destination This has been 100% my experience. I enjoy the puzzle solving and the general joy of organizing and pulling things together. I could really care less about the end result to meet some business need. The fun part is in the building, it's in the understanding, the growth of me . I have coworkers who get itchy when they don't see their work on production, and…
Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion
#183Here's my two cents...
I'm 55 years old and been programming since I was 10.
Yes, programming has forever changed - especially since Opus 4.5 was released in late November. Programmers who don't use AI models and agents are obsolete in a professional context. It's not a question of journey versus destination. It's that the nature of the journey has changed and productive velocity has significantly increased. Embrace it just like you have presumably embraced every other productivity improvement over the decades. Most of us aren't coding assembly any more because pre-AI tools and languages accelerated our productivity. Now it's time to do that again, recognizing that the journey may be a different experience from the coding process you love, but we're not yet going from "Hello, World" to large complex production-ready systems in a single prompt.
I point out that if you're programming for personal satisfaction rather than professionally, then nothing has changed. Use AI or don't use AI; whatever works for you. You have the luxury of being a hobbyist.
Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
>AI has just exposed that many "engineers" are "temporarily embarrassed project managers", which is fine in the sense that it makes it clearer who actually enjoys making things and who just wants the end result regardless of how it's made. AI has also exposed that many "engineers" are just "people who like fiddling with code" and that's fine in the sense that it makes it clear who are the actual engineers who are eng…
> Like imagine slandering a civil engineer "you just want a bridge that is safe and lasts for a century, you don't care about enjoying the journey of construction". Would you currently trust a bridge designed by a civil engineer using AI for all of their calculations ?
Not a great comparison. I'd agree with you if it was straight up vibe coding.
But co-creating (which is what I do) I create plan, then step through it with Claude. Claude creates a small part of what I want, I review, tweak or ask Claude why it took that approach if its different.
I know the subject matter of what it is creating, so in this sense it is safe, as long as I am reviewing everything.
It gets dangerous if you just let it create something without any interaction or understanding of what is being created.
Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was like this a few months back. You want to code and solve problems, but the AI can do all that for you. I got over it by moving the problem solving further down the chain. Treat the AI the team you are directing to solve the issue.
If I wanted to become a project manager I would have become one. AI has just exposed that many "engineers" are "temporarily embarrassed project managers", which is fine in the sense that it makes it clearer who actually enjoys making things and who just wants the end result regardless of how it's made.
It's not so much a project manager. I have something I want to build, I create the plan and work slowly through it with Claude. Stopping at every piece and reviewing as I go.
I can confirm the code is good, but also when it takes a different approach I question why it took that approach. Occasionally I learn something.
> who just wants the end result regardless of how it's made.
Sometimes you want the app but don't care how it gets created, because its helping you focus on what you really want to do. For example I created a mindmap App in XCode on-par with XMind. Not every feature, but everything I use.
Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I wanted to become a project manager I would have become one. AI has just exposed that many "engineers" are "temporarily embarrassed project managers", which is fine in the sense that it makes it clearer who actually enjoys making things and who just wants the end result regardless of how it's made.
> If I wanted to become a project manager I would have become one. It's not so much a project manager. I have something I want to build, I create the plan and work slowly through it with Claude. Stopping at every piece and reviewing as I go. I can confirm the code is good, but also when it takes a different approach I question why it took that approach. Occasionally I learn something. > who just wants the end result…
The less coding you do, the less good you will be at making those decisions on code quality. Coding skills atrophy when not used.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Haha! Your analogy doesn't work on multiple levels. Firstly, if you're outsourcing your work to AI you're not the engineer anymore. A civil engineer is different from a manager of a civil engineering project. Just like I wouldn't call myself an artist if I got AI to generate me some art, I wouldn't call myself a software engineer if I got AI to write all the code for me. Secondly, it's not just about "enjoying the jo…
The analogy works fine! You're just being obtuse. - Outsourcing False. If you "outsource your code" to a compiler and just write higher level language, you're not an engineer. You literally don't own any of your own code, just an abstraction of it written in human language. See how that works? An engineer can delegate -- period. - "I wouldn't call myself a software engineer if I got AI to write all the code for me" I…
Yes and no. Engineering does involve delegation but what defines an engineer is is what work they do, not what work they pass onto others.
If it helps you understand this, consider the role of an engineer as someone that makes engineering decisions. If you give a specification to a colleague and ask them to write code for you, then you're delegating those engineering decisions. When you write high level code, yes you allow a compiler or interpreter to determine how to turn your instructions into machine code, but you have made engineering decisions in order to design the end result. If you give instructions via product specifications, then you have acted as a project manager or business analyst, not as an engineer.
To use another analogy, imagine you are a chef and you go to eat at a restaurant you don't work in. When you order from the menu, you are not a chef at that moment, even if your background suggests you are capable of being one. Similarly, ordering code from an AI agent does not give you the right to call yourself an engineer when doing so, as you did very little of the real engineering work to produce the end result.
> If all you do is write code you're not an engineer.
Engineering requires thought and application of thought, and if you're outsourcing both then you don't qualify as an engineer.
> The engineer who spends 90% of his time architecting systems and testing them at a high level is making safer and more stable software than the codemonkey who spends 90% of his time tinkering with the details.
The devil is in the details. A technical architect that doesn't understand the tradeoffs in the designs they're specifying isn't worth the money they earn.
> Who said anything about "saving time"?
Almost everyone that is selling the benefits of AI. Clearly you haven't been paying attention to industry trends.
Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion
#188In fact that was their first and only contribution.
Weird.
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#189Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If I wanted to become a project manager I would have become one. It's not so much a project manager. I have something I want to build, I create the plan and work slowly through it with Claude. Stopping at every piece and reviewing as I go. I can confirm the code is good, but also when it takes a different approach I question why it took that approach. Occasionally I learn something. > who just wants the end result…
> I can confirm the code is good The less coding you do, the less good you will be at making those decisions on code quality. Coding skills atrophy when not used.