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Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by thebruce87m »

gamblor956 wrote: post #82
simulator5g wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No this is not just an enterprise issue. I waited 10 seconds (I counted.) for a Windows Explorer context menu to open the other day. This is on a fully decked out system with an Ultra 9 cpu and a 4090 and 32gb of memory, and basically no apps running. I think I had 2 tabs in Edge? Windows is a shitshow these days.

I just tried to open the context menu in Windows Explorer. It showed up almost as soon as I released the mouse button, and I have a much slower CPU, older video card, and way less RAM then you do. I was also running 12 windows of Firefox with collectively 1000+ tabs (though only about 36 or loaded), Steam, a Unity game, and Microsoft Teams, plus a number of background programs. If your Explorer context menu is taking…

There must be something wrong with quite a lot of hardware then. My windows laptop at work took > 20 seconds to open the right-click menu on the desktop.

During the wait the entire desktop background went black along with the icons then it came back. I was actually trying to get to a setting to set the background to a fixed colour instead of an image in the hope of speeding the machine up.

From a UX experience there was zero indication that it was trying to do anything during this time.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by mylies43 »

nar001 wrote: post #174
sourcegrift wrote: post #172

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8 GB RAM and 6/10 "respectable" repairability.

RAM has no bearing on repairability? And yes, sure stuff is soldered to the motherboard, but everything is basically modular outside of it, you can replace every big part pretty easily, and no glue, even for the battery

The RAM being soldered is a hit against repair ability, you can't expand it or if the ram has issues you can't replace it, you will just be forced to throw out the entire machine. What else is modular here anyways? Can I swap out the CPU, the screen, the keyboard, ports...anything?

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by jxdxbx »

sourcegrift wrote: post #172
porphyra wrote: post #156

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> and can be repaired The Macbook Neo is highly repairable too [1]. Not _quite_ as repairable as some Thinkpads with a 10/10 score, but still pretty respectable at a 6/10 with easily replaceable batteries and stuff. [1] https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-r...

8 GB RAM and 6/10 "respectable" repairability.

I have a Neo and 16GB Thinkpad and the Neo smokes it.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by nar001 »

alwillis wrote: post #101
Retr0id wrote: post #94

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I'm writing this from Linux running natively (not virtualized) on an Apple Silicon mac (M1 Pro)

I'm aware of that option, but that's not something the average user is going to do. But knock yourself out if you want to try it.

I'm confused, you weren't talking about what the average user would do, just about what it can? Asahi Linux is pretty good, not sure why that'd be a real issue?

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by accrual »

johnebgd wrote: post #116
bitwize wrote: post #87

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Windows doesn't run "just fine" on 4 GiB of RAM. I had a laptop with 6; Windows 10 became barely usable. If you want to run one, small, program at a time I think you'll be ok. Forget about web browsing; you'll get one tab and it'll be slow.

Agreed. Windows 10/11 can run just fine on 4GB of RAM. You just can't run anything inside of Windows 10/11 with 4GB of RAM. The last version of Windows that felt like 4GB of RAM was performant for me with applications was Windows XP. Not that every computer running the 32-bit edition of Windows XP could even see/utilize a full 4GB of RAM properly, but at least it was fast.

I found even Windows 7 ran very well with just 4GB of DDR2. I only upgraded to 8GB when I started testing Windows 8/8.1 on that rig.

Though I get by just fine with 512MB on my favorite Pentium 3 XP system. :D

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by jaredcwhite »

enopod_ wrote: post #19

Can it run Linux?

As others have said, should be fine to run Linux in a VM. Running natively from boot, the only potential option would be Asahi Linux, but my understanding is that the A18 Pro chip has certain internal attributes which are akin to an M3, and Asahi has only gotten full support in place for the M1/M2 generations. Perhaps once they get M3+ fully working, A18 Pro would also be an option. (I'm also super interested in a Neo running Linux.)

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by wtallis »

mylies43 wrote: post #182
nar001 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RAM has no bearing on repairability? And yes, sure stuff is soldered to the motherboard, but everything is basically modular outside of it, you can replace every big part pretty easily, and no glue, even for the battery

The RAM being soldered is a hit against repair ability, you can't expand it or if the ram has issues you can't replace it, you will just be forced to throw out the entire machine. What else is modular here anyways? Can I swap out the CPU, the screen, the keyboard, ports...anything?

Repairability and upgradability aren't quite the same concept.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by Retr0id »

dwedge wrote: post #169
Retr0id wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm writing this from Linux running natively (not virtualized) on an Apple Silicon mac (M1 Pro)

How does it function? Last time I tried was a 2018 Intel MBP and it was a gamble where I would always lose either WiFi (despite the driver being in the installer iso) or the keyboard. I'm aware it's a totally different architecture, but I also seem to remember comments about that one too before I tried.

It's the best linux-on-laptop experience I've had so far (including various Thinkpads). Never had any issues with wifi nor bluetooth (I'm streaming music via bluetooth via spotify via wifi, right now). The only missing feature I personally care about at this point is HDR support. There's no thunderbolt yet, but I don't own any thunderbolt peripherals in the first place.

There is occasional jank, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by MattTheRealOne »

the_real_cher wrote: post #4

does that mean since this is the iPhone 16 cpu, by proxy the iPhone 16 can also run Windows in a virtual machine?

Yes. See UTM: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/utm-se-retro-pc-emulator/id156...

Unfortunately, the performance is very poor due to Apple restrictions on iOS.

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