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I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by remarkEon »

possibleworlds wrote: post #104
elAhmo wrote: post #96

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Great take. If the past year has taught us anything, it’s that the US can’t really be seen as the “good guys” in such a simple way. Many of these things have been happening for years, but war crimes, disregard for international law, blackmailing allies, killing their own citizens without accountability, and allowing foreign governments to heavily influence policy are all troubling signs. It’s easy to point to China a…

> If the past year has taught us anything, it’s that the US can’t really be seen as the “good guys” in such a simple way. More like the past 200 years. America have never been the "good guys", and it is only Americans who seem to think they ever were.

If only Americans think we're the good guys, then why does everyone want to live here?

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by dragonwriter »

remarkEon wrote: post #181
possibleworlds wrote: post #104

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> If the past year has taught us anything, it’s that the US can’t really be seen as the “good guys” in such a simple way. More like the past 200 years. America have never been the "good guys", and it is only Americans who seem to think they ever were.

If only Americans think we're the good guys, then why does everyone want to live here?

Well, first, that's two overgeneralizations.

But, second, often precisely because they think we’re the bad guys.

If you see the world as dominated by an evil, overwhelmingly powerful empire that uses violence in a way that shows no concern for the continuation or quality of human life outside of the metropole then, even if it is bigoted, repressive, and unjust within the metropole, you still want to be in the metropole rather rhan peripheries.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by remarkEon »

pezezin wrote: post #178
cuuupid wrote: post #117

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If a majority of the Americans believed America was not generally the "good guys" it would be a sign of a failed democracy. Similarly normal for the population of any country that has net negative externalities from America to view them as the "bad guys". The current and growing anti-US sentiment is an expected result of an increasing gap between the US and the rest of the first world on economy and defense. The exis…

> If a majority of the Americans believed America was not generally the "good guys" it would be a sign of a failed democracy. No, it would be a sign of critical thinking and self reflection.

I've thought about it a lot, and done some self reflection, and concluded that America is, in fact, the "good guys".

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by remarkEon »

cuuupid wrote: post #148
ang_cire wrote: post #133

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"US not inherently better" is tantamount to fellatio to you? You have some low standards of praise.

You're being disingenuous, but yes, if you believe the US is not inherently better than China you are fellating the most well documented modern authoritarian state, which was borne from the largest genocide in history, and has decades of examples of breaching freedoms and silencing dissidents, and is viewed negatively even by a large portion of communists. If the two are even comparable in your eyes, you are fellatin…

There's a phenomenon when PRC comes up where people actively root for the United States to lose. Some of these people are even Americans (at least on paper). Regardless of the wisdom of the Iran war, there is a sizable amount that wants to see dead Americans result from it because it would allow them to do the same moral preening that is going on in this thread with regard to China. The Americans finally "got what they had coming", or some such silliness. I expect to see the same thing as the race, such as you can call it a race, to return to the moon gets going. I don't have a good explanation for this because, like you say, it's bonkers to look at PRC and think it's at all comparable on any given freedom metric, so I think these people are simply lying.

The one plausible claim they could make is, ironically, one similar to Altman's claim a while back that visiting China was "easier" (I don't recall his precise phrasing) because there is a very clear and public list of things you are not allowed to talk about and actions you are not allowed to take. This list is, of course, subject to change.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by remarkEon »

dragonwriter wrote: post #182
remarkEon wrote: post #181

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If only Americans think we're the good guys, then why does everyone want to live here?

Well, first, that's two overgeneralizations. But, second, often precisely because they think we’re the bad guys. If you see the world as dominated by an evil, overwhelmingly powerful empire that uses violence in a way that shows no concern for the continuation or quality of human life outside of the metropole then, even if it is bigoted, repressive, and unjust within the metropole, you still want to be in the metropo…

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Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by epgui »

varenc wrote: post #24
epgui wrote: post #7

I really hate how people think LLMs == AI. An LLM can’t/shouldn’t be doing anything other than generating text.

LLMs are AI. Markov text generators from the 1970s/80s are AI. Face recognition software like FaceID is AI. Many people behind LLMs got degrees under departments that have AI in their title. AI is just computers doing things we typically associate with human intelligence, and having a conversation with a computer that effectively passes the Turing test, is definitely AI. If LLMs aren't AI, then AI isn't a useful term…

My point is that they are a small subset of AI.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by latchkey »

observationist wrote: post #174
latchkey wrote: post #158

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> Dylan Patel of TheIjnformation SemiAnalysis

Sorry, my bad. Getting hard to keep track, there are so many adjacent sources, lol.

No sorry, it is ok. I wrote a whole article on the guy and his grift, so I'm pretty well aware of things.

https://jon4hotaisle.substack.com/p/influence-as-a-service-s...

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by pibaker »

iso-logi wrote: post #163
mips_avatar wrote: post #33

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He's roommates with an Anthropic researcher, I was roommates with a Google product manager I don't think I'm really bought out by Google.

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I don't know GP's situation. But in the case of the linked article, given anthropic's tie to the Bay Area "rationalist" community, one possible reason why the author has a roommate is he bought in to the rationalist "group house" culture and moved in with one of them.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by dang »

chrsw wrote: post #168
mips_avatar wrote: post #33

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He's roommates with an Anthropic researcher, I was roommates with a Google product manager I don't think I'm really bought out by Google.

Bought out, bought in. Is the distinction important?

mips_avatar is describing neither.
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