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Where things stand with the Department of War

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Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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Not sure why Dario apologized for the internal memo leak. Seems like an odd thing to backtrack on.

Not everything has to be a conspiracy or some 4D chess business move. Dario is a morally motivated person and regretted the tone that was being conveyed in that memo, so he apologized.

Yeah, that's completely unbelievable. You don't just accidentally call Trump a "dictator" or go on an extended tirade about Sam Altman. Clearly, he was speaking how he truly felt and how he's doing damage control.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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post #18

It is incredible how far the overton window has moved on this issue. When I graduated in 2007, it was common for tech companies to refuse to let their systems be used for war, and it was an ordinary thing when some of my graduating classmates refused to work at companies that did let their systems be used for war. Those refusals were on moral grounds. Now Anthropic wants to have two narrow exceptions, on pragmatic an…

The only difference between now and 2007 is the curtain has been pulled back revealing how things have always worked.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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post #133

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I do not think that anyone but the US and Israel have assassinated leaders in the last 30 years. I also question their autonomous drone advancement. Russia and China did not have the means to help Venezuela and they do not have the means to help Iran.

Russia and other states have demonstrably conducted targeted killings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_and_gov...

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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post #102

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What’s a “warfighter?” Do they come from the “Gulf of America?” We used to call them servicemen or service members. Emphasizing they served the people. I guess that’s too effeminate for our roided up and ironically hyper-insecure Secretary of Defense.

A new term was needed some decades ago. "man" titles have not been politically correct for a while, "member" sounds awkward and bureaucratic. In some other languages, "soldier" can be used for all military personnel, while English ended up with a more narrow meaning.

"Awkward and bureacratic" is literally the point of naming conventions commonly adopted by democracies. Titles like "president" or "prime minister", departments like "Department of Defense", referring to government employees as "civil servants", etc. are all intentional measures meant to strip away the prestige and egotism associated with positions of authority in an effort to avoid it going to people's heads, and to remind them that they are meant to serve the good of the public that pays for their existence rather than ruling over them.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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post #102
post #22

> Our most important priority right now is making sure that our warfighters and national security experts are not deprived of important tools in the middle of major combat operations. > we had been having productive conversations with the Department of War over the last several days, both about ways we could serve the Department that adhere to our two narrow exceptions, and ways for us to ensure a smooth transition i…

What’s a “warfighter?” Do they come from the “Gulf of America?” We used to call them servicemen or service members. Emphasizing they served the people. I guess that’s too effeminate for our roided up and ironically hyper-insecure Secretary of Defense.

Reddit discussion from 2016 (so before Trump).

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/4ta3hh/cmv_th...

There are many reasons to detest the current political landscape. Don't get distracted.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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Hypothetically if we had a choice between sending in humans to war or sending in fully autonomous drones that make decisions on par with humans, the moral choice might well be the drones - because it doesn't put our service members at risk. Obviously anyone who has used LLMs know they are not on par with humans. There also needs to be an accountability framework for when software makes the wrong decision. Who gets fi…

> Hypothetically if we had a choice between sending in humans to war or sending in fully autonomous drones that make decisions on par with humans, the moral choice might well be the drones - because it doesn't put our service members. I guess let the record state that I am deeply morally opposed to automated killing of any kind. I am sick to my stomach when I really try to put myself in the shoes of the indigenous pe…

The Gatling Gun was first deployed in the US civil war, not in Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun

The “machine gun” has a more complicated history, and the first practical example may have been Gatling’s, or an earlier example used in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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> it was an ordinary thing when some of my graduating classmates refused to work at companies that did let their systems be used for war. Those refusals were on moral grounds. (spoiler alert) Wasn't this one of the plot points of the Val Kilmer movie Real Genius ? They had to trick the students into creating a weapon by siloing them off from each other and having them build individual but related components? How far…

"Why do you wear that toy on your head?" "Because if I wear it anywhere else it chafes" "A laser is a beam of coherent light." "Does that mean it talks?" "Your stutter has improved." "I've been giving myself shock treatment." "Up the voltage." "In the immortal words of Socrates, who said, 'I drank what?'" "Is there anything I can do for you? Or...more to the point... to you?" "Can you drive a six-inch spike through a…

I think my favorite exchange was the following:

Professor Hathaway: "I want to start seeing more of you around in the lab."

Chris Knight: "Fine. I'll gain weight."

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

#189
post #79

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Probably because it hurts its position either in court or during negotiations with the DoW.

As much as Trump and Hegseth would like it to be called the Department of War, it still takes an act of Congress to change the name of the Department of Defense. No reason to call it by anything else until that happens.

This is such a foot stomping childish thing to get caught up on. It does not at all matter what a dept is called. Try to get over the extremely superficial.

Re: Where things stand with the Department of War

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post #18

It is incredible how far the overton window has moved on this issue. When I graduated in 2007, it was common for tech companies to refuse to let their systems be used for war, and it was an ordinary thing when some of my graduating classmates refused to work at companies that did let their systems be used for war. Those refusals were on moral grounds. Now Anthropic wants to have two narrow exceptions, on pragmatic an…

It's easy to say "I will never let the Department of Defense use my search engine for evil!" Or "the more money they spend on me, the less they have for weapons!" ( https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt ) when you aren't really expecting money. But when somebody shows up with a check, it becomes much harder to stick to your principles. Especially after watching Palantir (and "don't be evil" Google) rake in plenty of dough.

Also: https://gist.github.com/kemitchell/fdc179d60dc88f0c9b76e5d38... .

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