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Lenovo’s new ThinkPads score 10/10 for repairability

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Post by jcul »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #141
kiddico wrote: post #77

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I'm rocking a framework 13" intel 12th gen still and I love it. The only issue I had was being part of the few that got a batch of bad hinges. I didn't know there was a replacement program I could have used and just replaced them myself with the heavier hinge option. At this point I have every expansion port thing they offer and keep them in my bag. My laptop can have any I/O I want :) pretty cool.

Hmm, framework 13 and Linux… loves nothing more than to drain while off. I’m getting really annoyed by that

I get about 2, max 3 hours battery on my intel 12th gen framework 13.

I generally have it always plugged in, but it's not great.

Re: Lenovo’s new ThinkPads score 10/10 for repairability

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Post by cromka »

userbinator wrote: post #88
cookiengineer wrote: post #59

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^ this comment is more relevant than people might think. HP regularly deploys broken BIOS updates and literally bricks your laptops. Happened in 2023 I think 7 times that year, and one time even right in the next week. Our IT got so fed up and ditched any HP laptops because of it.

Never update your BIOS unless you have a specific bug that needs fixed. I remember a Thinkpad BIOS update ended up destroying both undervolting and overclocking, and required a "chip-clip" programmer to revert.

Most of the laptop BIOS updates are now for CVEs and other security fixes, from my experience. You don't have much choice but upgrade.

Re: Lenovo’s new ThinkPads score 10/10 for repairability

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Post by ergl »

bvrmn wrote: post #184

Repairability score page[1] looks like a Lenovo advert. [1]: https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/laptop-repairability-sc...

From the bottom of the linked article:

> Full disclosure: iFixit has an ongoing business relationship with Lenovo, and we are hopelessly biased in favor of repairable products.

Re: Lenovo’s new ThinkPads score 10/10 for repairability

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Post by cromka »

kemotep wrote: post #92
chrisss395 wrote: post #86

Do folks have any security concerns with Lenovo? An IT leader at a medium-large US bank recently told me they won't use Lenovo due to security risks from Chinese firmware (or something to that effect, referencing and older incident I don't recall). I've only seen such policies with defense players ten or so years ago. That said, I've owned them personally for 10+ years, so looking for objective thoughts outside repai…

Would that not be a concern for most computers? Aren’t most of these motherboards manufactured in China (or at least close proximity to China? Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc.) But older Thinkpads (not sure about newer (~5 years old) ones, certainly not brand brand new models) have great support of alternative firmware such as coreboot and libreboot, other projects that disable Intel ME and the like.

It's the firmware that is made in China that's problematic, not where the motherboard is soldered. Framework assembled there, too, but use open source coreboot firmware. Doesn't get any better than that.

Almost every upgrade of firmware for my Lenovo laptop is CVEs recently. I have no doubts they share that with their government and keep some backdoors opened.

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

tombert wrote: post #51

I have the ThinkPad p16s AMD gen 2. What it lacks in name it makes up for with being the most headache-free computer I have ever had (including a Macbook). Everything works pretty well out of the box, it never really overheats, Linux support required basically no effort with NixOS, the keyboard feels pretty nice, the screen is bright and easy to read, and fortunately I bought it when RAM prices weren't insane so I go…

I have the same model, it's a nice machine!

Re: Lenovo’s new ThinkPads score 10/10 for repairability

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Post by huddert »

nirava wrote: post #169
huddert wrote: post #143

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Even 50hz is fine. I'd go so far as to say, barring any medical or sensitivity issue, if any person prioritizes a 120hz screen they are a victim to habit or marketing. It adds zero value to the experience, and you're just looking for things to be annoyed by / brag about. Modern displays are already cutting edge. They have improved in every way that's meaningful in the last 35 years. Refresh rate is just not meaningfu…

"Even 4gb of memory is fine", "even 720p is fine", "even 2ghz CPU is fine", "even a membrane keyboard is fine", "even USB 2.0 is fine", "even 2 hours battery life is fine"...

Yeah it's all "fine". If these were the specs of the only laptop available to me then yeah it would be "fine". I could get things done. One or more of those things are deal-breakers for an awful lot of people.

For me, a rubbish display is a deal-breaker. I can't accept that they would compromise in this aspect, presumably to save a few bucks.

It's likely as difficult for me to understand how you could possibly prefer battery life over refresh rates as it is for you to do the opposite. And I'm not even talking crazy refresh rates here, 120hz or even 90hz at a minimum.

Would you buy a high-end laptop with 15 minute battery life? I'm not buying a new laptop with a 60hz display.

Re: Lenovo’s new ThinkPads score 10/10 for repairability

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Post by tasuki »

huddert wrote: post #189
nirava wrote: post #169

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Even 50hz is fine. I'd go so far as to say, barring any medical or sensitivity issue, if any person prioritizes a 120hz screen they are a victim to habit or marketing. It adds zero value to the experience, and you're just looking for things to be annoyed by / brag about. Modern displays are already cutting edge. They have improved in every way that's meaningful in the last 35 years. Refresh rate is just not meaningfu…

"Even 4gb of memory is fine", "even 720p is fine", "even 2ghz CPU is fine", "even a membrane keyboard is fine", "even USB 2.0 is fine", "even 2 hours battery life is fine"... Yeah it's all "fine". If these were the specs of the only laptop available to me then yeah it would be "fine". I could get things done. One or more of those things are deal-breakers for an awful lot of people. For me, a rubbish display is a deal…

> "Even 4gb of memory is fine", "even 720p is fine", "even 2ghz CPU is fine", "even a membrane keyboard is fine", "even USB 2.0 is fine", "even 2 hours battery life is fine"...

No these things aren't. 60 hz is fine though. What does it matter that it's "old"? It matters whether it's functional.

I for one prefer battery life over refresh frequency and will always choose 60 hz when available.

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