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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by wsng »

N0isRESFe8GXmqR wrote: post #36
bitmasher9 wrote: post #30

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Why even ask for the cookies if denying them doesn’t achieve much? It’s naive to think that cookies are the only tool used for tracking, but they are the most powerful tool for web based tracking.

Because EU Cookie Law was a flawed idea?

It was not a flawed idea, but flawed execution. The law should have mandated to adhere to the user's "do not track" setting in the browser.

That being said, it was very early regulation in this field, and more recent approaches are already better, e.g., GDPR, DMA.

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Post by jen20 »

esseph wrote: post #144
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #99

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You don’t upload a “file” in a “folder” to TikTok. You upload a “video” from your “library”. Consumers have been conditioned to stop thinking about files especially when it comes to media since iTunes and the iPod in 2001.

> files especially when it comes to media since iTunes and the iPod in 2001 As a non-Apple user, this is not something that happened to me. I literally have a "Files" app on my Android phone and my laptop/desktop.

Both iPhone and iPad have an app named "Files" too.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by xXSLAYERXx »

cortesoft wrote: post #163
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I am in my mid forties, been working as a professional software developer for over 20 years. I click “accept the cookies” almost every time. I just personally don’t feel it’s worth the effort and cost to try to avoid it. What “dark pattern cookie trick” are you worried about? I just can’t come up with a scenario where it will actually harm me in any way. All the examples I have heard are either completely implausible…

Feel similarly. And to be honest, even when I do select decline all, I have little confidence that the function does what it says it does.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

GJim wrote: post #160
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #118

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I love the EU apologists - “it wasn’t a bad law just because the outcome was bad”

The alternative being to bend over and grab our ankles with both hands the moment the scummy ad-tech industry requests our data? Sorry mate, the GDPR is there for a bloody good reason; and legit companies obey the law.

Yes because of the GDPR, there aren’t still two trillion dollar+ market cap ad Tech companies.

But at least we have cookie banners everywhere.

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Post by mftrhu »

adventured wrote: post #84
thewebguyd wrote: post #62

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> It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept It's really alarming, actually. I run the cyber security training & phishing simulations at my work, and it's the younger employees that struggle the most. It's like they just assume that everything on the web is trustworthy. It's not hard to see why though. They grew up with app stores & locked down devices. No concept of a file or file system,…

That's an exaggeration. Young people on average have grown up with drastically greater understanding of what a file is than any other generation that has come before them. They grew up using Chromebooks or laptops in school, constantly interacting with the local file systems, uploading files to Instagram and TikTok from the file systems on their smartphones, browsing their phones for files constantly. They know what…

> They know what a file is, they use & manage files more than any other generation prior.

Unfortunately, they don't.

They might have had a computer in their hand for hours each day, but they barely know anything about it. The ones who do tend to be those who grew up playing on PC, as opposed to console or mobile, because the latter - despite falling under the "digital natives" aegis - are really shockingly ignorant of even basic concepts.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

blackcatsec wrote: post #148
c0balt wrote: post #142

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> Ask them how to copy it somewhere else To be fair, at least Android and presumably iOS grant apps by default no access to your files in modern versions. The only way to get, e. G., an attachment downloaded via Thunderbird to a PC or another app is the share dialogue. A user does not access to the isolated app storage by default on an unrooted Android phone. For better or worse the young user is actually making the…

I mean on iOS you do have a raw home storage path you can save arbitrary binary data stuff to, although Apple generally just has the option of "Save to Files"--but you have at least some basic folder structure there you can use and have full access to. It's just not commonly used for the reason the other person mentioned (share buttons between apps that are file type aware)

That was only recently made the case

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

thenoblesunfish wrote: post #81

People don't like these checks. Ok. But. Parents worry about their kids being exposed to porn and social media. They want someone to do something about it. That political force is real, and someone is going to take advantage of it. What tools can they ask for if not these checks everyone agrees they hate? That's what I hope for in these types of comment threads.

> But. Parents worry about their kids being exposed to porn and social media. They want someone to do something about it.

Someone, anyone, but themselves.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by rincebrain »

cortesoft wrote: post #163
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I am in my mid forties, been working as a professional software developer for over 20 years. I click “accept the cookies” almost every time. I just personally don’t feel it’s worth the effort and cost to try to avoid it. What “dark pattern cookie trick” are you worried about? I just can’t come up with a scenario where it will actually harm me in any way. All the examples I have heard are either completely implausible…

I would imagine it's the GDPR "ACCEPT ALL COOKIES" in big font and then in very small low contrast text "select some cookies" or "reject cookies" that they were describing.

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Post by mhurron »

adventured wrote: post #84
thewebguyd wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept It's really alarming, actually. I run the cyber security training & phishing simulations at my work, and it's the younger employees that struggle the most. It's like they just assume that everything on the web is trustworthy. It's not hard to see why though. They grew up with app stores & locked down devices. No concept of a file or file system,…

That's an exaggeration. Young people on average have grown up with drastically greater understanding of what a file is than any other generation that has come before them. They grew up using Chromebooks or laptops in school, constantly interacting with the local file systems, uploading files to Instagram and TikTok from the file systems on their smartphones, browsing their phones for files constantly. They know what…

> drastically greater understanding of what a file

No, they do not. First, simply using something does not mean you understand it at all. Secondly, because the devices they've become the most accustomed to work very hard to hide all those details from the user.

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