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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by abustamam »

mrbn100ful wrote: post #19
lpcvoid wrote: post #2

There's absolutely no reason to use /e/ when GrapheneOS exists. https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

Not everything have to be perfect. For some user, /e/ is more approachable (Friendly and colorful UI) I could not get my mother to use GrapheneOS, /e/ is a lot simpler. Still miles better than to use a Default ROM from most OEM.

I find it interesting that there are so many comments that are saying "Don't use this one use this one it's better!"

But what I think a lot of people are missing is what you exactly just touched on. We have options! That's a good thing. Yeah, some options are not as good as others if you wanna optimize for X. Then don't use that option! Use the option that works for you.

To me, the fact that alternatives exist on varying spectra of "degoogle-fication" is a win in my book. The fact that we're able to talk about and recommend so many alternatives is a good thing.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by dangus »

goldenarm wrote: post #9

Tweaking user-hostile OSes into user-friendly ones is impressive, but not sustainable. Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. Look at the AdBlocker crackdown of Google Chrome. Every single chrome-fork has shut down MV2 extensions, even Brave is about to do it, because it is impossible to maintain features that complex on a browser that Google spends >$1B/year to develop. Same story for /e/ and…

I think this is a false dichotomy.

Basically what you’re implying is that all the people working on Android derivatives like Lineage, Graphene, and /e/ coming together and working instead on a fully open source OS like a Linux mobile distribution would result in better outcomes and actually get us closer to a daily driveable open source environment phone operating system.

That’s analogous to saying that an automotive tuning shop that puts turbochargers and body kits on Toyota Corollas shouldn’t waste their time, and they should instead design and mass produce their own sports car.

The level of effort difference between AOSP derivatives and a fully open source OS is massive.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by em-bee »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #168
amelius wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's an OS that gives a browser error because it thinks the name is a path.

Yes, their choice of name was not their greatest achievement.

it was supposed to be a temporary name, that i believe was intentionally chosen to be bad to make it easier to replace later. they were under pressure because the original name eelo had a trademark issue.

when they eventually found a new name "murena" it appears they then decided to use it as a brand for the phones that they themselves sell instead, keeping /e/OS as the name for the operating system

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by jllyhill »

fransje26 wrote: post #50

The irony of advertising a privacy-enabled de-googled system, and then telling me that my Firefox browser is not support, and that I should use Edge, Opera or Chrome instead.... Browsing: https://e.foundation/installer/ Reply: https://imgur.com/a/al1Q9DM

And, to counter the arguments that "the site tells you that you need WebUSB support": you get to the https://e.foundation/installer/ when you click "Check device compatibility" on the main page. Personally, I'd expect either a check that works in any browser or a simple compatible device list. Why would I need a special browser just to check if I can use this OS?

This is especially strange considering they have the list of supported devices in their docs https://doc.e.foundation/devices

So I think the issue is that the button on the main page is poorly named

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by afewquarks »

decasteve wrote: post #149

If you block Google, as much of it as possible anyway, on your firewall, does the device work/install? I tried /e/ and Lineage about a year ago, but neither of them worked when Google was blocked completely. The only one that made no requests to Google was Graphene.

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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by Itoldmyselfso »

dminik wrote: post #96
Arch-TK wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's hardware is just hardware. It is not locked down like the hardware of many other manufacturers. Moreover, it's the only such hardware which also allows you, the user, to lock it down for your own security. GrapheneOS is not just focused around avoiding Google, it's more accurately focused around security and user choice. The goal is to give you the option to avoid needing to rely on Google's spying or servic…

A large part of "degoogling" to me means "stop giving google money" and "cut off Google entirely from my life". If I have to give Google a lot of money every 4-6 years to remain "de-googled" then I never was.

You can buy used Pixel, effectively not giving money to Google, or buy a Motorola when their GOS phone is released

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by dns_snek »

dminik wrote: post #96
Arch-TK wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's hardware is just hardware. It is not locked down like the hardware of many other manufacturers. Moreover, it's the only such hardware which also allows you, the user, to lock it down for your own security. GrapheneOS is not just focused around avoiding Google, it's more accurately focused around security and user choice. The goal is to give you the option to avoid needing to rely on Google's spying or servic…

A large part of "degoogling" to me means "stop giving google money" and "cut off Google entirely from my life". If I have to give Google a lot of money every 4-6 years to remain "de-googled" then I never was.

Why are we degoogling, for what purpose? I couldn't care less about giving them what likely amounts to ~10€ of margin per year on the hardware sale. What I care about is not giving them data which is worth a lot more than that, and to take back control over my device.

When you go with an alternative you lose superior privacy and security offered by GrapheneOS and you just end up leaking more data back to Google and other ad-tech companies than you would otherwise, negating any benefits several times over.

See: Advanced features, degoogling, privacy, security, and updates sections of https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by spudlyo »

odeckmyn wrote: post #180
cogman10 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty strange that the only subject you seem to have expertise in is e/os. Over a year and that's the only thing you've felt comfortable in discussing?

and so what? should I ask for permission to discuss something? it's crazy how omniscient people are aggressive on the internet. Is that your normal behaviour IRL??

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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Post by amelius »

em-bee wrote: post #184
Mordisquitos wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, their choice of name was not their greatest achievement.

it was supposed to be a temporary name, that i believe was intentionally chosen to be bad to make it easier to replace later. they were under pressure because the original name eelo had a trademark issue. when they eventually found a new name "murena" it appears they then decided to use it as a brand for the phones that they themselves sell instead, keeping /e/OS as the name for the operating system

What is their connection with eels?

I just checked and Murena is an eel, too. Imho, one of the ugliest fish one could choose as a mascotte :S

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