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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by Tomte »

mamonster wrote: post #106
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #54

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> US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports To be clear, there are political and career diplomats, and each administration mixes and matches to its taste. (The current one veers strongly towards political appointees. That is to say, folks who raised money.) This is how most foreign services are run, with maybe the exception of China.

>This is how most foreign services are run, with maybe the exception of China. Absolutely not most. What country in Europe has a significant amount of ambassadors that are not career diplomats / government workers ? In France, Germany, Switzerland you would either need to be a career diplomat/ foreign service worker or in rare cases you would be a career government employee assigned as diplomat to some specific count…

Former speaker of the chancellor (and TV news anchor before that) is German ambassador to Israel. Next ambassador will be a career politician.

It‘s not uncommon, though I‘d say even the „cool posts“ like Paris or London usually go to career diplomats.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by [deleted] »

cyanydeez wrote: post #162
Bender wrote: post #109

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I do not trust anyone with my data. This is just my preference but every year I move further and further away from using the internet for anything other than making comments on this site and watching a few vloggers. In a few years I will not have more than 3 to 5 logins on anything and those will be value add and must be within driving distance. All critical services I use will require walking into a building in pers…

Usually, when you want to have people not know who built what, you use an LLC. THEN the LLC hires the subcontractors in stages without them knowing about each other. Youd take about 5 years, but itd be about as secure as you could be if you lost trust in soceity.

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by Tomte »

Beretta_Vexee wrote: post #74
forinti wrote: post #4

How can you be so confrontational and still want people to give you business and data? I really don't envy the diplomats' job at the moment.

The US ambassador to France has just had his access to parliamentarians and members of the government withdrawn because he is trying to turn a neo-Nazi who died in a fight into a political martyr. There are similar situations in Belgium and Poland. American diplomats have been doing Trump's dirty work for a some time. I am more concerned about US interference in elections and campaigning for the far right than lobbyi…

"Fight"…

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by microtonal »

sensanaty wrote: post #128
game_the0ry wrote: post #82

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> Or the US where even the mainstream media can challenge the president? The same US that was banning reporters from the press secretary's office (this isn't even new to Trump, Clinton also tried to pull the same shit back in the day)? The one where people were denied their entry visas because of memes of JD Vance? Where the white house has an official list of "Media Offenders"[0]? Also we can't really ignore the US…

Also the Reporters Without Borders ranking:

https://rsf.org/en/index

US 57th place, the first non-European country is at position 16 (New Zealand).

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by dmoy »

Bender wrote: post #109
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

I do not trust anyone with my data. This is just my preference but every year I move further and further away from using the internet for anything other than making comments on this site and watching a few vloggers. In a few years I will not have more than 3 to 5 logins on anything and those will be value add and must be within driving distance. All critical services I use will require walking into a building in pers…

> If I could find a reputable construction company to build my underground home I would be a true troglodyte

If you have the resources you could always buy an existing underground structure and renovate. Like a missile silo. Or buy an already renovated one:

https://washingtonmissilebase.com/

I imagine upkeep is pretty expensive, probably needs a lot of HVAC, dehumidifying, pumping, etc to keep you from dying due to weird mold and stuff lol

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Post by joe_mamba »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #172
joe_mamba wrote: post #166

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>some large pension funds have removed 1/4th of their investments in the US in less than a year. I saw the news about the danish fund dropping some of their US investment and on closer inspection, in absolute terms it was a drop in the bucket. Mostly an optics maneuvre.

Again, non dollar investors are flat since start of 2025. This isn't just politicisation (although that's part of it), it's that other markets are doing better than the US for now. This will be a slow process, but the direction seems pretty clear (I fully expect to see a major economy introduce capital controls within the next twenty years).

> it's that other markets are doing better than the US for now.

Which? US currently has a rocky status due to Trump's interference, but Trump will pass while the likes of EU and Japan won't be able to fix their structural issues of low birthrates, crazy high debt welfare speeding, etc.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by bradley13 »

It's not even just data stored on US servers. According to the CLOUD Act, any data stored by a US company, regardless of location, can be demanded by any authority in the US.

No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period.

The attempts to shift to open source or non-US services are inevitably hobbled by US companies lobbying (read: bribing) politicians.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by [deleted] »

realo wrote: post #164
llm_nerd wrote: post #46

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>American domiciled VCs and companies can outinvest just about any other competitor, Because every investor in the world put their money in the US. They knew the best companies and people would centralize around that hub. When the US is a rogue, isolated idiocracy -- already true, but the world takes time to adapt to this new reality -- how much of that money do you think will flow to the US?

"idiocracy" ... wow ... such a cool word! And so true. Thank you.

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by joe_mamba »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #169
joe_mamba wrote: post #140

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If investors leave, where will they go though? Most of EU economy isn't doing amazing right now either, with the economies of France and Germany being propped up on life support by government spending, and there's more political turmoil at the horizon. Asia?

> the economies of France and Germany being propped up on life support by government spending The US government is running (and has been for at least a decade now) a substantial deficit, which is basically propping up the economy with government support. > there's more political turmoil at the horizon Again, look to your own house. Even if you ignore all the Trump noise, the attempted politicisation of the Fed is ver…

>Even if you ignore all the Trump noise, the attempted politicisation of the Fed is very dangerous for the US economy.

Yes, but Trump is a passing issue that will eventually go away, and won't be able to fuck with tarries and the economy anymore just so his friends can do insider trading.

>Asia & Europe.

why do you think so? Japan's economy has no great future prospects, and neither EU's with many German bankruptcies and companies relocating abroad. Chinese companies and workers outside of the largest metro areas have bad time too.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by kyboren »

soco wrote: post #158
kyboren wrote: post #118

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3wkzgpjxvo https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-court-jails-man-racist-tweets-s... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... https://reclaimthenet.org/germany-online-speech-raids-politi... I'm sure you can find more; those were just the lowest hanging fruit in 2 minutes of searching.

So you folks think just because it's internet we should be able to insult and call for racial action? Maybe you think in real life that should be acceptable too?

I support free speech through any media, including all noncommercial speech not including:

  - defamation (with extra lenience for speech about public figures)
  - evidence of child sex abuse
  - incitement to imminent lawless action likely to cause disorder
Even those few exceptions are dangerous to liberty. Certainly anything else is too easily twisted into political censorship.

For example, under the guise of fighting "hate speech", the EU has already used the DSA to censor disfavored political speech like, "I think that LGBTI ideology, gender ideology, transgender ideology are a big threat to Slovakia, just like corruption"[0].

And yes, people obviously have the right to insult their politicians. It's honestly perplexing to encounter someone defending an early morning house raid because the guy called a politician a "professional moron". Are you actually Robert Habeck??

[0]: https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j... (p. 19)

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