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Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by e2le »

jordanb wrote: post #49
throw4847285 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we could all forgive trying to destroy western civilization under the guise of saving it, but drew the line at poor media literacy when it comes to One Piece and Watchmen. (This is a joke in case that wasn't clear)

It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad until Thiel gave us that clip of him getting stumped by the "should humanity survive" question. I'm forever grateful to Thiel for that clip, and to Musk for his crippling Twitter addiction. It was pretty impossible to get regular people to understand that folks like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison are skinwalkers when all they…

People aught to be questioning more the future vision of those in positions to shape it. Someone who struggles with such simple questions around humanity while simultaneously building the tools of a surveillance state probably should not be one of the individuals driving our future.

It's quite clear that my vision of the future is nothing like theirs.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by john_strinlai »

distortionfield wrote: post #174
rogerrogerr wrote: post #170

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So you think that the state has massive surveillance systems (definitely) that it is willing to use maliciously (maybe), but in the age of LLMs is fooled by swapping some letters around? Seems like the threat model is unlikely to line up with reality.

It’s not a “maybe”. This administration was collecting lists of people who spoke negatively about ICE from social media like a week ago. you really think they’re going to send them gift baskets or something?

the point rogerrogerr is making is that a government is not going to be tripped up by "teter piel", just like you werent.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by fuddle »

vincnetas wrote: post #32
bri3d wrote: post #15

The referenced write-up based on the Persona front end code is here: https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona I definitely recommend reading this primary source before drawing conclusions about the code as most of the secondary reporting is quite low quality.

damn. why did the website stole my audio?

Yeah, come on! I'm trying to watch a video and read the article!

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by cratermoon »

johndhi wrote: post #76
toomuchtodo wrote: post #65

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Indeed. Empathy and the levels of wealth accumulation in scope are incompatible imho. They are the paperclip maximizers we were warned about.

Where do you guys come up with these ideas? Simply having a lot of money makes someone evil? Why? They are obviously all quite competitive in business but the philanthropy they've done is pretty crazy. Gates for example is giving away hundreds of billions of dollars. What does it even matter if he's compassionate or not if he's doing that?

If you gave away as much money proportionately, you'd have about 75 fewer dollars in your pocket.

Tell me again how generous billionaires are.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by fernandopj »

takoid wrote: post #112
n8cpdx wrote: post #75

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Can someone explain to me how Discord got so big in the first place, particularly for non-gaming uses? I saw this coming a mile away when folks started ditching slack for Discord - Slack being problematic because a) it was profit-seeking and would use its leverage over your personal data to seek rent and b) it was antithetical to the open web. Discord has the exact same two issues so was obviously not a solution. Why…

To answer how it got so big: it didn't start out trying to replace Slack. It just solved an acute pain point for gamers. Skype was becoming increasingly enshittified, and people were floating between TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, and Mumble, none of which were that great. Discord captured the market because it was completely free and had the audio mechanisms in place to make people with shitty mics and background noise tolera…

That is also why I think it "won" over Slack. Discord solved audio comms for gamers, period. It got so good, that SMB and startups started to migrate for stuff like easy pair-programming, open meetings etc.

Discord IMO won because of a killer trio: 1) good comms 2) full history 3) faster UI over bloated Slack.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by john_strinlai »

IgorPartola wrote: post #46

> politically exposed persons I do not know what this euphemism means. Is this like the modern trend of calling inmates “justice involved individuals”?

its not some new/modern trend just because you have not seen the term. its been a term for nearly 3 decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_exposed_person

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by mystraline »

savanaly wrote: post #110
sznio wrote: post #95

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I thought about the same recently, in the context of the Epstein files. You don't become a billionaire by being moral. Each time you don't do something because it's wrong, you lost opportunity to make more money. You start with smaller things, then your standards slide more and more, until you are a billionaire, and you're so corrupt there isn't anything for you to do except make more money. Which makes me wonder, ho…

Can't you also make money by making a good decision that benefits you and another party? I feel like I do this all the time, just on a relatively small scale.

Becoming a billionaire is never done through your hard work.

It is only by exploiting the surplus of large amounts of workers at scale that permits being a billionaire. It is their hard work, not the billionaires.

Now, how much surplus the workers get is primarily the discussion between capitalism, socialism, and communism.

Naturally, capitalists are disinclined in giving ANY of the surplus, and keeping it all for themselves. But when every capitalist does that, thats how we end up with 7 year depression/boom cycles, when the whole economy treats workers poorly.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by nailer »

jordanb wrote: post #49
throw4847285 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we could all forgive trying to destroy western civilization under the guise of saving it, but drew the line at poor media literacy when it comes to One Piece and Watchmen. (This is a joke in case that wasn't clear)

It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad until Thiel gave us that clip of him getting stumped by the "should humanity survive" question. I'm forever grateful to Thiel for that clip, and to Musk for his crippling Twitter addiction. It was pretty impossible to get regular people to understand that folks like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison are skinwalkers when all they…

> It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad until Thiel gave us that clip of him getting stumped by the "should humanity survive" question.

He was thinking about convergence. You're probably smart enough to be aware of that, so you're deliberately twisting his words.

> folks like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison are skinwalkers

On HN a decade ago this would have been moderated into oblivion. The recent manual un-flagging of poolitical posts by the mods (dang has openly discussed this) has changed the site for the worse.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by e2le »

EQmWgw87pw wrote: post #157
pfraze wrote: post #104

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What are you, Thiel’s alt? The guy backed Facebook, built a mass surveillance firm, and talks about democracy as an obstacle. How do you expect people to feel about him?

I would not advocate against democracy. But do you believe it is flawless?

No system is flawless. Every democratic system has its own issues. What is increasingly clear is that the current crop of tech billionaires do not belong anywhere near a position of power. God help us. The quality of individual is disappointing.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by trinsic2 »

jordanb wrote: post #49
throw4847285 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we could all forgive trying to destroy western civilization under the guise of saving it, but drew the line at poor media literacy when it comes to One Piece and Watchmen. (This is a joke in case that wasn't clear)

It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad until Thiel gave us that clip of him getting stumped by the "should humanity survive" question. I'm forever grateful to Thiel for that clip, and to Musk for his crippling Twitter addiction. It was pretty impossible to get regular people to understand that folks like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison are skinwalkers when all they…

That guy has a strong Nazi feel. I'd stay far, far away from anything he creates
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