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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by JCattheATM »

sgt wrote: post #177
drcongo wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This led to loss in sovereignty and freedom I think you need to expand on this into some kind of actual, tangible result, this is just feelings. And even for feelings, it's nonsense - before Brexit my kids could legally move and work anywhere in the EU, how are they more free now?

Indeed more difficult but shouldn't be an issue, just a bit more admin work to apply for visas etc.

Visas that you are no longer guaranteed, lol.

It's literally all downsides, which you (not you personally) agreed to because of ego, thinking you can go back to a time when 'the sun never sets', when in actuality you've hastened much longer nights.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by znzjzjsj »

thisisit wrote: post #122
blfr wrote: post #59

It is constantly shocking to me that no matter how many times and where in the west people vote against immigration (which is what most of these votes boil down to), they can never get it. It's truly a crown in the gutter moment where you can be completely off-the-wall nuts (vide AfD) and, if you're just willing to campaign on anti-immigration, your ranks will instantly swell. Yet the establishment is somehow complet…

Most of the politics comes down to tribalism. And within this tribalism nothing works better than Us vs Them. Immigration is one of the best "us vs them" debates. It rallies lot of support. But then often immigration isn't the problem. It is a solution preying on the fear of people that "outsiders" are harming their opportunities, housing, way of life etc. The real problem is that people are not making living wages a…

> But then often immigration isn't the problem

There has never been a successful multiracial democracy in history. There are many books on this - one was even on Obamas summer reading list awhile back.

> The real problem is that people are not making living wages and wages are not catching up to cost of living

Importing labor devalues native labor. This is outside of the cultural change, etc. These are real problems.

> They'd rather not solve immigration

Because they serve the rich and the rich benefit from immigration at the expense of natives. Immigration is a solved problem. Do it only when needed or when it benefits the people, not a select few.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

cedws wrote: post #63
darreninthenet wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a way out... you are allowed to live and work in Ireland. Stay there for a few years (I forget how many) and apply for an Irish ( = EU) passport

Yes, it’s a path I have considered/am considering, but it’s a 5 year commitment. I’m in my mid 20s and want to be able to travel without worrying if my residency application will be jeopardised. The years where I want the freedom of movement the most will have passed by then.

25 you are definitely in time to move! That's exactly when I moved from Italy to Canada and kicked off my life there. 20 is plenty young, what locks you in is usually kids. Friends are a pain to leave behind, but that's a constant.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by soderfoo »

Smalltalker-80 wrote: post #50

Yep, there's a lot of (continuing) economical damage and still a lot of new immigrants every week. I think some time still needs to pass before Brexit politicians dare to change their stance, now confronted with the results of their choice. In the mean time, Brexit rules are quietly being undone without losing face too much. See the EU-UK trade deals from May 2025.

What's the "pull" that keeps people migrating to the UK despite the economic gloom?

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Post by geoka9 »

swat535 wrote: post #125
neRok wrote: post #74

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> Still looking for a way out in the meantime. Have you got an ancestor that was born in Canada? [1] It sounds like that a child of a "red coat" born on the lands that would become Canada is sufficient... [2] [1]: [Heads Up: Canadian Genealogy is about to get VERY popular!]( https://old.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comments/1qqkzte/heads_up... ) > On December 15, 2025 Canada enacted "Bill C-3", granting citizenship to peop…

I’m not sure Canada is doing well right now. Young people are really struggling and we are dealing with housing crisis. There is also trade conflicts with the United States. An anti immigration sentiment has also taken over half the country due to rising costs and shortages, which is trickling down to various aspects of the life here. The harsh weather is not pleasant either. Ironically, young Canadians are looking t…

> Ironically, young Canadians are looking to move elsewhere.

Are they still, considering they were mostly moving to the US before and now the idea is kind of scary?

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Post by munksbeer »

citrin_ru wrote: post #22
jjgreen wrote: post #11

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The Brexit-induced impoverishment of UK will inevitably lead to a reduction in the scope of the NHS and so kill off its supporters. So Brexit is kind-of self healing.

Generation of boomers accumulated lots of wealth, mostly thanks to house prices skyrocketing during their lifetime. Not all but many old people can afford private healthcare. Younger people need NHS more.

The irony is that in our experience, if you're old or a child, you're far more likely to be treated quickly on the NHS.

Perhaps that isn't the whole story, maybe old people tend to have more life threatening conditions, so triage puts them first. But from my perspective, private health insurance is now mandatory in the UK if you're not old or a child, and I am even going to put my children on private health insurance. So now I'm paying a fortune in taxes for a health system I can no rely on, so must pay for private too.

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Post by jemmyw »

soderfoo wrote: post #184
Smalltalker-80 wrote: post #50

Yep, there's a lot of (continuing) economical damage and still a lot of new immigrants every week. I think some time still needs to pass before Brexit politicians dare to change their stance, now confronted with the results of their choice. In the mean time, Brexit rules are quietly being undone without losing face too much. See the EU-UK trade deals from May 2025.

What's the "pull" that keeps people migrating to the UK despite the economic gloom?

English language is probably a factor

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by geoka9 »

roysting wrote: post #54
cedws wrote: post #17

I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime. The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

What makes you believe you have lost freedom of movement, I’ve met British people all over Europe. If I can meet a Russian living in Switzerland in Amsterdam and a British couple that took the ferry from the island, why are you not free to “move”? On a related note; do you enjoy what America is right now? Because centralizing power and handing your country’s (American states are/were/should be essentially countries)…

> The EU is right now talking about becoming a great military force _to fight Russia_ (emphasis mine)

Correction: to not have to fight Russia. The EU falling apart is Putin's wet dream because he's very afraid of a confrontation with the whole bloc, and wants to subjugate the small European countries piecemeal (and yes, on their own, they would have to submit or face missiles/drones or, even worse, human meatwave attacks by a foe that has been whipping its populace into a death cult for decades for exactly that eventuality).

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Post by spwa4 »

JCattheATM wrote: post #170
spwa4 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem is that for >10 years the a green-left coalition was in power, at least in most of Europe and immigration was greatly encouraged because it would provide clear economic benefits for everyone. There's many stories, but let's call this the average story: "Immigration brings growth, growth advances everyone". Well, it doesn't, at least not at the moment. Oops. Now we can argue why, of course, but a cert…

> Well, it doesn't, at least not at the moment. Oops. No, it still does. > but a certain amount of backlash was to be expected. Ultimately by lower class people who tend to be racist, though. Mostly it's just that they don't like seeing new languages and foods popup. > in a democracy I would think that arguing that "the uneducated masses" are wrong is a quick path to irrelevancy. Maybe, but the uneducated masses shou…

> Maybe, but the uneducated masses shouldn't be making these decisions, which is why democracy is the real problem here.

Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really?

... which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwise, you should just get out of the way. Because if that's the case the only outcomes are bad, and worse.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by jemmyw »

cedws wrote: post #17

I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime. The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

I feel for you. I moved away to New Zealand long before brexit and then did move to Europe for awhile and freedom of movement made that easier than otherwise. However, if you're mid 20s now you don't need it to move places, you can easily get working visas for EU countries or Australia or NZ or Canada, and there are paths then to citizenship. Everywhere has it's troubles of one kind or another. I grew up in the UK and while I have plenty of good memories, I feel like it's a miserable place when you're trying to get on in the world. And the pay for IT professional is atrocious.
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