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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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The cameras aren't the problem, it's the companies behind them. Everybody wants murderers and rapists in jail, nobody wants to 24/7 share their location and upload their every thoughts to palantir and other companies operated by degenerates like Thiel

A significant number of people do not seem to want copper thieves, porch pirates, and organized retail thieves in jail.

Was porch piracy, copper theft and shoplifting impossible to catch pre-flock?

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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In US law, if the camera is doing something unconstitutional, is damaging it a crime? Genuine question.

Almost certainly. Random people are not the legal arbiters of what’s unconstitutional. I can’t say I disagree with what they’re doing, but it’s absolutely vigilante justice, not legal.

It seems odd though. Don't you have the right to bear arms, with some idea that it is needed to prevent the government from exercising excessive powers over you, yet actually doing anything with those guns to protect yourself from tyranny is a crime?

I remember hearing once that the constitution, having been written by a bunch of insurrectionists, intended people to have the power to keep the government out of their business. It seems they have lost that?

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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The camera doesn't have a 360 field of vision, besides COVID masks aren't uncommon now.

Where I am (Sydney Australia) we have fixed speed cameras that automatically create speeding fines to drivers going too fast (well, technically the registered owner of the vehicle via ANPR). They eventually had to equip pretty much every speed camera with a speed camera camera, usually on a much higher pole to make vandalism more difficult.

Reminds me of the story about Aeroflot (Soviet National airline) and hijackings

- Aeroflot flights get hijacked and flown to West Berlin

- Soviets decided to put Spetsnaz (Soviet special forces) on the planes much like we have Air Marshals today

- Spetsnaz figures "we have guns and are on the plane already" so they start hijacking flights

- So Soviets put TWO Spetsnaz teams on the flight

- Team 1 decides to hijack flight, realize there is a Team 2 who ALSO agrees to hijack the flight

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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It's wild that you think the problem with the US is too low of an incarceration rate. 25% of all prisoners in the world are in the US

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Why would you want someone who commits a violent crime to avoid prison?

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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So you can do it without your image being captured by the camera?

Drones with a paintball gun attached? Realistically that’s going to attract a lot of negative attention.

Just use the drone to spray something on the camera that will etch the glass or destroy the plastic beyond repair.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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It's wild that you think the problem with the US is too low of an incarceration rate. 25% of all prisoners in the world are in the US

Who do you think those people are that are incarcerated in the USA? I come across this rather frequently among people from sheltered backgrounds like those who graduated from mom and dad taking care of them, all the way through to Mega Corp/university taking care of them, and absolutely cannot fathom why everyone doesn’t just eat cake. I have a working theory that this effect, whatever one wants to call it, of people…

This isn't a new complaint. People have been identifying this group as the source of a lot of bad stuff at least as far back as Marx. The petty or petite bourgeoisie, the professional managerial class, Karens, the name changes with the times. But the constant derision for these groups is rooted in people observing that these groups are disposed to the sort of "driving society off a cliff" behavior you are listing examples of.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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flock safety were in one of y combinators incubator programs but to be fair, saying you want to make a camera company to improve public safety but then being used in a dystopian way... well it should have been foreseeable shouldn't it? Im conflicted in this, I love camera tech and its probably not going away any time soon, but wonder how it could be used responsibly for public safety only.

They actively WANT the dystopian surveillance state.

Lot of money to be made for anyone who gets to pull the strings in such a state.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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or you know... the rise of itunes/ipod at that exact time. present the public with an option that is not in a grey area and is not a massive inconvenience, and a large amount of them will happily go the legal route. Its leaning that direction again, video streaming services are becoming a massive inconvenience, much like needing to buy a CD if you wanted 2 total songs off it. Doubt it will be as iconic of a moment in…

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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In the UK these cameras are everywhere. We have (a relatively recent phenomenon) elected Police and Crime Commissioners. They are elected with a tiny turnout. Next election in your area see if a candidate is anti-surveillance and run a campaign to support them. 10,000 extra votes to any of the mainstream candidates will get them elected. Another addition to this thread of things that will never happen.

> In the UK these cameras are everywhere.

We don’t have as many (per capita) as the US.

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