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The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

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Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#181

Jesus, it just generated a story in 0.039s. Whoever doesn’t buy/replicate this in the next year is dead. Imagine OpenAI trying to sell you a platform that takes 15 minutes, when someone else can do it in 0.001s.

> generated a story

Was the story any good? The model used isn't comparable to something OpenAI would offer you today. What good is a fast gibberish generator?

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#182
Asking it what its knowledge cut-off is interesting, it doesn't seem to be consistent even within a single response. Sometimes it responds to say it cuts off 2020 too.

    You
    What is your knowledge cut-off?

    Jimmy
    My knowledge cut-off is 2022, which means that my training data is current up to 2021, but 
    I have been trained on a   dataset that is updated periodically. If you have any specific 
    questions about events or topics that occurred after 2021, I may not have information on 
    those topics. However, I can still provide general information and context on those topics 
    to help guide further research.

The instantaneous response is impressive though. I'm sure there will be applications for this, I just lack the imagination to know what they'll be.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#183

Holy cow their chatapp demo!!! I for first time thought i mistakenly pasted the answer. It was literally in a blink of an eye.!! https://chatjimmy.ai/

It is incredibly fast, on that I agree, but even simple queries I tried got very inaccurate answers. Which makes sense, it's essentially a trade off of how much time you give it to "think", but if it's fast to the point where it has no accuracy, I'm not sure I see the appeal.

I think it might be pretty good for translation. Especially when fed with small chunks of the content at a time so it doesn't lose track on longer texts.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's incredibly fast at a 2022 state of the art level of accuracy, then surely it's only a matter of time until it's incredibly fast at a 2026 level of accuracy.

yeah this is mindblowing speed. imagine this with opus 4.6 or gpt 5.2. probably coming soon

I'd be happy if they can run GLM 5 like that. It's amazing at coding.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#185

I've never gotten incorrect answers faster than this, wow! Jokes aside, it's very promising. For sure a lucrative market down the line, but definitely not for a model of size 8B. I think lower level intellect param amount is around 80B (but what do I know). Best of luck!

Amazing! It couldn't answer my question at all, but it couldn't answer it incredibly quickly!

Snarky, but true. It is truly astounding, and feels categorically different. But it's also perfectly useless at the moment. A digital fidget spinner.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#186
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This is not a general purpose chip but specialized for high speed, low latency inference with small context. But it is potentially a lot cheaper than Nvidia for those purposes. Tech summary: - 15k tok/sec on 8B dense 3bit quant (llama 3.1) - limited KV cache - 880mm^2 die, TSMC 6nm, 53B transistors - presumably 200W per chip - 20x cheaper to produce - 10x less energy per token for inference - max context size: flexib…

> 880mm^2 die That's a lot of surface, isn't it? As big an M1 Ultra (2x M1 Max at 432mm² on TSMC N5P), a bit bigger than an A100 (820mm² on TSMC N7) or H100 (814mm² on TSMC N5). > The larger the die size, the lower the yield. I wonder if that applies? What's the big deal if a few parameter have a few bit flips?

> I wonder if that applies? What's the big deal if a few parameter have a few bit flips?

We get into the sci-fi territory where a machine achieves sentience because it has all the right manufacturing defects.

Reminds me of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Logic_Named_Joe

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#187

The speed of the chatbot's response is startling when you're used to the simulated fast typing of ChatGPT and others. But the Llama 3.1 8B model Taalas uses predictably results in incorrect answers, hallucinations, poor reliability as a chatbot. What type of latency-sensitive applications are appropriate for a small-model, high-throughput solution like this? I presume this type of specialization is necessary for robo…

Coding, for some future definition of "small-model" that expands to include today's frontier models. What I commented a few days ago on codex-spark release:

"""

We're going to see a further bifurcation in inference use-cases in the next 12 months. I'm expecting this distinction to become prominent:

(A) Massively parallel (optimize for token/$)

(B) Serial low latency (optimize for token/s).

Users will switch between A and B depending on need.

Examples of (A):

- "Use subagents to search this 1M line codebase for DRY violations subject to $spec."

An example of (B):

- "Diagnose this one specific bug."

- "Apply these text edits".

(B) is used in funnels to unblock (A).

"""

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#188
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a misunderstanding of what LLMs are good at.

Not sure if you're correct, as the market is betting trillions of dollars on these LLMs, hoping that they'll be close to what the OP had expected to happen in this case.

The market didn't throw trillions of dollars to develop Llama 3 8B.

What GP is expected to happen has happened around late 2024 ~ early 2025 when LLM frontends got web search feature. It's old tech now.

Re: The path to ubiquitous AI (17k tokens/sec)

#190
post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This math is useful. Lots of folks scoffing in the comments below. I have a couple reactions, after chatting with it: 1) 16k tokens / second is really stunningly fast. There’s an old saying about any factor of 10 being a new science / new product category, etc. This is a new product category in my mind, or it could be. It would be incredibly useful for voice agent applications, realtime loops, realtime video generati…

For speculative decoding, wouldn’t this be of limited use for frontier models that don’t have the same tokenizer as Llama 3.1? Or would it be so good that retokenization/bridging would be worth it?

My understanding as well is that speculative decoding only works with a smaller quant of the same model. You're using the faster sampling of the smaller models representation of the larger models weights in order to attempt to accurately predict its token output. This wouldn't work cross-model as the token probabilities are completely different.
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