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Re: European Tech Alternatives

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It's not 2015 any more, people aren't buying that any more. Nuance is allowed in the discussion

Buying exactly what? Bus and taxi drivers, people working in the supermarkets, in the low cost stores, food chains, delivery services, call agent support, then the workers in the industry plants etc etc Are you suggesting that locals are doing that type of work?

Apologies, I have the flu and totally misread the meaning. Ignore me

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Rubio is a mouthpiece for a regime that’s not qualified to discuss Europe, or even his very own US of A. All he meant in his speech is that his government has chosen isolation

Just look at the space industry. Europe doesn't even have a proper space port.

The Guiana Space Centre isn't a proper space port? Guyane is a region of France, just like Normandy or Pays de la Loire or the 15 others.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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That's why the European way to tech sovereignty is (publicly-funded) free software. Cannot be bought by unlimited VC money from The Valley, and it benefits the rest of the world, which is a tiny drop, and hence a necessary one, in Europe offsetting the damages of colonization, past and present.

Free software alone doesn't give you tech sovereignty. What matters is who integrates and runs the software.

Can you explain how you mean this? Obviously, it helps if the knowledge of the codebase is with a trusted partner. But taking as an example Grist (https://getgrist.org), which is developed by a NY-based US company and is part of the French La suite numérique (LSN). Should a geopolitical reason get in the way of Grist devs further collaborating with LSN, don't you think that France's sovereignty is safeguarded by the availability of the code?

Granted, it'd be a setback. But nothing a couple of dedicated French devs could not tackle.

What am I missing?

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Which is something the US has demonstrated so clearly recently.

This shows that if you want real freedom on the high seas, you need a submarine. Captain Nemo had the right idea.

Can tap directly into the undersea cables too!

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Every time I see an idea like this (or a politician talking about tech 'sovereignty') I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace. > Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have…

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Re: European Tech Alternatives

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It's beyond me why anyone would downvote that. An UG is uninvestable, and a GmbH would also scare most investors. Anything but an AG is not going to work.

What are you talking about..? A GmbH is the German equivalent of an Ltd. An AG is a publicly traded company and thus not something investors are looking for. Also, the majority of companies in Germany are just ordinary eigetragene Kaufmänner (so normal businesspeople like your average plumber), or GmbH (literally any other company that isn’t a stock market traded enterprise).

> What are you talking about..?

We're talking about VC investing here, not your local currywurst kiosk.

> An AG is a publicly traded company

Falsch. An Aktiengesellschaft is a corporate form that protects the investors and mandates a certain formal governance and management structure. It has nothing to do with being publicly traded.

For the same reasons, VCs will be very wary of investing in a Delaware S Corp (similar to a GmbH) instead of the preferred C corp (similar to an AG), even if the company is fully private and has no revenue.

> Also, the majority of companies in Germany are just ordinary eigetragene Kaufmänner (so normal businesspeople like your average plumber), or GmbH (literally any other company that isn’t a stock market traded enterprise).

Irrelevant.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#187
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You can paste that comment exactly as you wrote it into any search engine or LLM and get your answer.

The burden of proof is on you my friend.

As if, working for someone with such entitled attitude. You find something you think is wrong say what you mean or move along.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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The burden of proof is on you my friend.

As if, working for someone with such entitled attitude. You find something you think is wrong say what you mean or move along.

As if asking someone to support their pretty substantial claims is all of the sudden called entitled attitude? No, that's just how people reason about different views. You should understand that when you say something you should be able to stand behind your words. C/p a link that supports your view would have taken you 2 seconds. Yet you chose the ad-hominem strategy. Pretty telling for anyone reading this conversation.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Stop being racist. Immigrants are given the lowest level type of jobs which nobody wants to do anymore. Others are then prospering to better jobs. That's how you keep the economy growing.

It's not 2015 any more, people aren't buying that any more. Nuance is allowed in the discussion

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Re: European Tech Alternatives

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post #186
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What are you talking about..? A GmbH is the German equivalent of an Ltd. An AG is a publicly traded company and thus not something investors are looking for. Also, the majority of companies in Germany are just ordinary eigetragene Kaufmänner (so normal businesspeople like your average plumber), or GmbH (literally any other company that isn’t a stock market traded enterprise).

> What are you talking about..? We're talking about VC investing here, not your local currywurst kiosk. > An AG is a publicly traded company Falsch. An Aktiengesellschaft is a corporate form that protects the investors and mandates a certain formal governance and management structure. It has nothing to do with being publicly traded. For the same reasons, VCs will be very wary of investing in a Delaware S Corp (simila…

> It has nothing to do with being publicly traded.

It is, in most cases. Tell me about a startup that started off as an Aktiengesellschaft as opposed to a GmbH? Why would you even want to put 50k in instead of 25k, deal with all the governance overhead and reporting duties? It makes no sense at all, and during all the VC conversations I had, never once was a GmbH mentioned as problematic.

> Irrelevant.

It's not to the claim that you cannot found a company in Germany without putting down a significant amount of money and a notary. You just moved the goalposts.

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