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Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by krautburglar »

tliltocatl wrote: post #168
krautburglar wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Pogroms were before USSR I know. Beside the point. The point is that 20th c. Russia/USSR's human capital had been obliterated. > Russia already got damn nukes. Old technology. Suicide. West has better weapons, like twitter (arab spring), autonomous drones, and whatever sonic/microwave mystery we used in Venezuela. Russia is behind. > Looted as in being sent food aid? Looted as in having state bureaucrats sell natio…

> We started shit in Ukraine No. Putin started shit in Ukraine after the locals got feed up with his dear friend's blatant corruption and he took it personally. America was never ever a factor there. The world doesn't spin around USA, even Americans may think so. > Zelensky revolution Lol, Zelensky didn't came into public light until a year or so after the revolution.

he was the 2nd stage of the same (five eyes funded) revolution. install a puppet. bait putin. wreck economies throughout eurasia. profit. if you read the declassified correspondence of our baby-eater class, you will begin to see this for what it is, rather than some marvel capeshit fantasy of good vs evil.

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by sebazzz »

nradov wrote: post #57
ericmay wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They will sell their gas at discount to China until the very end. Yes and no. There's a minimum price they need to sell it, and somewhere in between they may not actually make enough between the minimum and sale price to actually fund their military. Nevermind the awesome job you guys are doing blowing up refineries and other industrial facilities. It'll be good when Europe stops importing Russian gas and steps up…

I favor harsher sanctions against Russia but let's not be too optimistic. It doesn't take much funding to recruit a poor, desperate guy from the outer provinces, hand him a surplus rifle, and send him into a human wave attack. In a perverse sort of way, killing off those guys might actually be reducing Russian government expenses.

Apparently they are recruiting from Kenia too, promising great pay, but in reality they are being abused as cannon fodder.

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by drysine »

kergonath wrote: post #44
mdavid626 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine might have less time than Russia does. Russia only has to survive 1 day more.

Ukraine is also very hard to completely destroy, either militarily or economically. And Ukraine is in an existential struggle, I don’t see the Ukrainians caving.

>And Ukraine is in an existential struggle, I don’t see the Ukrainians caving.

Only the current regime is in existential struggle. This why it closed the borders[0] and kidnaps men on the streets[1] to send to the front line.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis#...

[1] https://busification.org/

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by ivan_gammel »

drysine wrote: post #179
ivan_gammel wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This war has already changed. Near-stalemate on the front lines, exchange of strikes on civilian infrastructure (Ukraine made to Belgorod what Russia made to Kiev). It‘s a nuclear war without nukes, aiming at strategic defeat without advancing armies. And Russia definitely has more resources for it.

>It‘s a nuclear war without nukes No, it's not. Even Ukrainians rarely target civilians.

A few days ago Ukraine knocked out central heating infrastructure in Belgorod, a regional capital with 350k people, which is unlikely to be repaired until spring. Two civilians repairing it from previous strikes were killed. Whether this is rare or not, it doesn’t change anything about what I said about changing character of the war: both sides largely gave up on trying to win on the battlefield and now attack energy infrastructure of each other, putting pressure on civilian population.

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by pointlessone »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #43

> If your competitors are also weakening—and if you believe you can tolerate the pain longer than they can—the calculus flips. Economic pressure that should drive compromise instead reinforces the logic of persistence. I think everyone underestimates just how much misery Russia, and Russian citizens, can endure.

Is it so? They had changed form of government twice in less than a century. Not just head of state or ruling party, form of government. You assume that because their baseline is miserable they can tolerate a lot but there’s a big difference between living a miserable life unter a totalitarian regime barely affording basic necessities, and all the same but starving.

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by valcker »

francescomi wrote: post #173

I live in Dubai, UAE and I can see with my own eyes that the sanctions strategy doesn't work, here Russians buy whathever they like and send it to Russia. There are companies that do this. They hire workers from poor countries promising a good life here in Dubai and they send them in Ukraine to fight. To fight agains Russia we need to attack every nations that have deals with Russia. Let's sanction everyone who makes…

I live in France, and there’s no shortage of wealthy Russian tourists here, just like there’s always been.

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by zombot »

O1111OOO wrote: post #157

I wonder if the end of Russia as a world threat is something that benefits or hurts the US. The US runs a trillion dollar war machine, a multi-trillion dollar military industrial complex. It needs to feed it. It needs enemies. At the very least, it needs a constant threat to justify its existence (even if it has to create those threats). If Russia ceases to be a threat, does the US begin to hassle more countries? Doe…

> even if it has to create those threats

The US is great at creating its own threats. In addition, marketing chops are top tier, and Hollywood is always glad to help.

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by franktankbank »

francescomi wrote: post #173

I live in Dubai, UAE and I can see with my own eyes that the sanctions strategy doesn't work, here Russians buy whathever they like and send it to Russia. There are companies that do this. They hire workers from poor countries promising a good life here in Dubai and they send them in Ukraine to fight. To fight agains Russia we need to attack every nations that have deals with Russia. Let's sanction everyone who makes…

Why would you live there?

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by franktankbank »

wuschel wrote: post #53
jackschultz wrote: post #2

https://archive.ph/uygcK Edit for the good metaphors. > It has entered what mountaineers call the death zone: the altitude above 8,000 metres at which the human body consumes itself faster than it can be repaired. > Over the past four years the Russian economy has bifurcated into two distinct metabolic systems... The body is metabolising its own muscle tissue for energy. > A recession is like fatigue: rest and you re…

I found the metaphors / analogons rather disturbing e.g. metabolism, etc. Does the human body have a Chinese assistent with an oxigen tent at 8000 metres?

No kidding. This is a world war already, with China and India on the side of Russia. Fuck them.

Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone

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Post by trymas »

k_bx wrote: post #3

As a Ukrainian at war since day 1 – I don't buy it. They will sell their gas at discount to China until the very end. Military force is the only way to get them to the death zone.

Also many westerns forget (or have no clue) that in ruzzian mindset suffering is one of the greatest virtues. The more you suffer - the better ruzzian you are.

By western standards ruzzian economy is in collapse, but their citizens are willing to endure anything beyond western imagination. Not to mention that even before 2022 apart from Moscow and Saint Petersburg there are many towns that are like timecapsules 50+ years into the past.

TL;DR: I will believe ruzzina state collapse/death when I will see it, but now I don't hold my breath.

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