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jacquesm wrote: post #97
mark_l_watson wrote: post #90

I have not run OpenClaw and similar frameworks because of security concerns, but I enjoy the author's success, good for him. There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and *maybe* Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them. I am for local compute, priv…

AMEX, Capital One and Apple are not even close to the top of the list of companies that I would trust with my digital data.

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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by yieldcrv »

throw444420394 wrote: post #141
bmay wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those hypes are forgotten as fast as they are created. Remember Cursor? of course--i use it every day. are you implying Cursor is dead? they raised $2B in funding 3 months ago and are at $1B in ARR...

It was a success for the company, but it is unlikely to survive long term. Now people are all focusing on Claude Code and Codex. Cursor is surviving because there are many folks that can't survive a terminal session. And because we are still in a transition stage where people look at the code, but will look at the code every day less, and more at the results and the prompts. And at the quality of the agent orchestrat…

Are you all back on vs code or what? I still have cursor open and use it the few times I want to modify code manually or visualize the file structure

But base vs code is fine for that too

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by amelius »

rukuu001 wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMEX, Capital One and Apple are not even close to the top of the list of companies that I would trust with my digital data.

Never mind the list of companies - I'd be very curious to know what the 'trust signals' are that would help you trust a company?

For hardware, I'd only trust a company if they didn't also have an interest in data. In fact, I'd trust a hardware company more if they didn't also have a big software division.

A company like AMD I would trust more than a company like Apple.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Rebelgecko »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #44
orsorna wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was the project really ever valued that high? Seems like something that can be easily replicated and even properly thought out (re: pi). This guy just ran the social media hype train the right way.

It's kind of crazy that this kind of thing can cause so much hype. It is even useful? I just really don't see any utility in being able to access an LLM via Telegram or whatever.

A lot of the functionality I'm not using because of security concerns, but a lot of the magic comes down to just having a platform for orchestrating AI agents. It's honestly nice just for simple sysadmin stuff "run this cron job and text me a tl;dr if anything goes wrong" or simple personal assistant tasks like"remind me if anyone messaged me a question in the last 3 days and I haven't answered".

It's also cool having the ability to dispatch tasks to dumber agents running on the GPU vs smarter (but costlier) ones in the cloud

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by canadiantim »

EastSmith wrote: post #6

With OpenClaw we are seeing how the app layer becomes as important as the model layer. You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw.

There’s actually many UI’s now? See moltis, rowboat, and various others that are popping up daily

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by internet2000 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #90

I have not run OpenClaw and similar frameworks because of security concerns, but I enjoy the author's success, good for him. There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and *maybe* Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them. I am for local compute, priv…

Sorry to pile on, but Capital One is an insane name to drop there.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by cactus2093 »

ramathornn wrote: post #118

Congrats to Peter! Can any OpenClaw power users explain what value the software has provided to them over using Claude code with MCP? I really don’t understand the value of an agent running 24/7, like is it out there working and earning a wage? Whats the real value here outside of buzzwords like an ai personal assistant that can do everything?

It has a heartbeat operation and you can message it via messaging apps.

Instead of going to your computer and launching claude code to have it do something, or setting up cron jobs to do things, you can message it from your phone whenever you have an idea and it can set some stuff up in the background or setup a scheduled report on its own, etc.

So it's not that it has to be running and generating tokens 24/7, it's just idling 24/7 any time you want to ping it.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by koakuma-chan »

bmay wrote: post #139
throw444420394 wrote: post #123

What to understand of this whole story: This is a vibe coded agent that is replicable in little time. There is no value in the technology itself. There is value in the idea of personal agents, but this idea is not new. The value is in the hype, from the perspective of OpenAI. I believe they are wrong (see next points) We will see a proliferation of personal agents. For a short time, the money will be in the API usage…

> Those hypes are forgotten as fast as they are created. Remember Cursor? of course--i use it every day. are you implying Cursor is dead? they raised $2B in funding 3 months ago and are at $1B in ARR...

What does VSCode fork spend 2 billion dollars on?

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Aurornis »

paxys wrote: post #122

Disappointing TBH. I completely understand that the OpenAI offer was likely too good to pass up, and I would have done the same in his position, but I wager he is about to find out exactly why a company like OpenAI isn't able to execute and deliver like he single-handedly did with OpenClaw. The position he is about to enter requires skills in politics and bureaucracy, not engineering and design.

> but I wager he is about to find out exactly why a company like OpenAI isn't able to execute and deliver like he single-handedly did with OpenClaw.

No company could ship anything like OpenClaw as a product because it was a million footguns packaged with a self-installer and a couple warnings that it can't be trusted for anything.

There's a reason they're already distancing themselves from it and saying it's going to an external foundation

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by pubby »

Ampned wrote: post #96

It’s not like Anthropic or OpenAI were not working on “AI assistants” before OpenClaw, it’s pretty much the endgame as I can see it. This guy just single handedly released something useful (and very insecure) before anyone else. Although that’s impressive, I don’t see more than an acquisition of the hype by OpenAI.

Single-handed made me smirk. It was vibe coded.
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