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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by croes »

WXLCKNO wrote: post #70
jascha_eng wrote: post #44

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

Exactly how I feel. I'm happy that more people are using these tools and learning (hopefully) about engineering but it shouldn't degrade the core experience for let's say "more advanced" users who don't see themselves as Vibe coders and want precise control over what's happening.

If I give pupils the solution book will they learn or just copy the answers?

There is a reason why nowadays games start to help massively if the player gets stuck.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by parhamn »

ramoz wrote: post #106
parhamn wrote: post #45

We opensourced our claude code ui today: https://github.com/bearlyai/openade I wanted a terminal feel (dense/sharp) + being able to comment directly on plans and outputs. It's MIT, no cloud, all local, etc. It includes all the details for function runs and some other nice to haves, fully built on claude code. Particularly we found planning + commenting up front reduces a lot of slop. Opus 4.6 class models are really…

Built similar focused specifically on planning annotations. https://github.com/backnotprop/plannotator It integrates with the CLI through hooks. completely local.

That looks great! Planning phase is really key.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by kakugawa »

resiros wrote: post #133
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #78

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8477 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/15263 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/9099 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/8371 It's very clear that Anthropic doesn't really want to expose the secret sauce to end users. I have to patch Claude every release to bring this functionality back.

Honestly, just use OpenCode. It works with Claude Code Max, and the TUI is 100x better. The only thing that sucks is Compaction.

How much longer is Anthropic going to allow OpenCode to use Pro/Max subscriptions? Yes, it's technically possible, but it's against Anthropic's ToS. [1]

1: https://blog.devgenius.io/you-might-be-breaking-claudes-tos-...

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by jollyllama »

jascha_eng wrote: post #44

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

Run an army of parallel agents is orders of magnitude more profit per human, so they will tend to steer you towards that.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by croes »

jascha_eng wrote: post #44

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

And even if there are lots of vibe coders who don’t like/need the information then make it a toggle for those who want/need it

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Post by noupdates »

sergiotapia wrote: post #130
noupdates wrote: post #3

Quite frankly, most seasoned developers should be able to write their own Claude Code. You know your own algorithm for how you deal with lines of code, so it's just a matter of converting your own logic. Becoming dependent on Claude Code is a mistake (edit: I might be too heavy handed with this statement). If your coding agent isn't doing what you want, you need to be able to redesign it.

Claude Code has thousands of human manhours fine tuning a comprehensive harness to maximize effectiveness of the model. You think a single person can do better? I don't think that's possible. Opencode is better than Claude Code and they also have perhaps even more manhours. It's a collaboration thing, ever improving.

Challenge accepted.
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