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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by devmor »

jader201 wrote: post #158
devmor wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you also might be overestimating what the average ICE owner has to take care of. Most Americans don’t keep a car long enough to even pay it off - they’re in an endless loop of trade-ins, meaning that most non-accident damage is covered by warranty. I’ve had my current ICE car for just over 5 years now and finally paid my first out of pocket repair cost: $40 for a new washable air filter. Other than that, my e…

> I think you also might be overestimating what the average ICE owner has to take care of. > Most Americans don’t keep a car long enough to even pay it off - they’re in an endless loop of trade-ins, meaning that most non-accident damage is covered by warranty. No, I think you may be underestimating. According to this article [1] at least, it’s close to 13 years. That’s well into large/costly maintenance items. Maybe…

Vehicle age != ownership duration. The used car market is thriving and aftermarket warranties are a huge part of this.

I also clearly mentioned maintenance in my post - you chose to quote the sentence before it, leaving it out and then respond as if I hadn’t.

Please don’t engage me with this kind of dishonest conversation. It’s a waste of both our time.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by nomel »

Animats wrote: post #169

Do you really need a 0-60mph time of 3.0 seconds in a mommymobile?

How much of that performance comes for free, from optimizing for range/efficiency?

What's the obvious "that could be less" in the system that wouldn't negatively impact efficiency?

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by cityofdelusion »

jader201 wrote: post #163
Marsymars wrote: post #154

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> I think you’re overestimating what all needs maintenance on an EV. I'm not doing any estimating, I kept a detailed spreadsheet of every dollar I put into the car, and am familiar with which items are common to an EV.

> and am familiar with which items are common to an EV. This is the overestimating I was referring to. I think you’re either mistaken in what items are common to EV, or you’re overestimating the cost of those items. There is only one thing that needs maintenance on an EV: tires. Unless you’re saying that tires amount to 2/3 of an ICE vehicles maintenance. In which case you may want to shop around for more reasonably…

ICE maintenance is pretty cheap, with the exception of tires, which are a huge outlay (but also the most important safety item!). My Honda only needs $35 of oil/filter once a year, maybe $40 of brake pads once in 80,000 miles, and a burned out bulb for a few bucks. Top tires all around though, easily $600-$800. A few one time things around the 100k mile mark, maybe plugs/sparkys/belt or similar, but not regular in any sense, most cars will only have them ever done once.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by tgrowazay »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #171
gorgoiler wrote: post #153

I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

I’ve had a cheap (was $15) single salad spinner, for about 15 years. Decent amount of usage in that time, but not professional level. So my question to you is: what the heck are you doing to your salad spinners?

If you spin low-grade uranium ore just right, the heavier particles will deposit on the edges, giving you high-grade uranium.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by nomel »

browningstreet wrote: post #14

HNers so grumpy you’d think this was an AI story submission…

I learned very early in my career that being in hardware/software/tech does NOT mean you will be around people that LIKE hardware/software/tech. Then I eventually joined a FAANG, assuming I finally found the nerds! Oof...extreme disappointment.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by kalleboo »

anon7000 wrote: post #141
Marsymars wrote: post #129

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> Also, one of the main advantages with EVs is their insane low maintenance, but sounds like PHEVs still have to all the same maintenance issues of ICE vehicles. I keep seeing this repeated, but I kept a detailed decade-plus spreadsheet of maintenace costs for my last ICE car, and ~2/3 of the costs were for components that are common to EVs.

Curious for the big examples. Some major things EVs don’t have: oil changes, belts/chains, transmissions, most things related to the engine & drive train are different… seems like the main similarities would be tires, brakes, body work, amenities.

No the GP, but in the 10 years of owning my ICE vehicle I've had these things serviced:

Oil change/Oil filter, Spark plugs, Alternator belt, Aircon belt, Brake pads, Brake fluid, Wiper blades, Wiper fluid, 12V battery, Tyres, an accessory fuse, a jammed seatbelt buckle. Two of the power locks are a bit sticky and probably need a touch-up of oil.

The first 4 are ICE-only, and brake pads are worn less if you mostly use regen. The rest are the same on EVs.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by jader201 »

Marsymars wrote: post #176
jader201 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and am familiar with which items are common to an EV. This is the overestimating I was referring to. I think you’re either mistaken in what items are common to EV, or you’re overestimating the cost of those items. There is only one thing that needs maintenance on an EV: tires. Unless you’re saying that tires amount to 2/3 of an ICE vehicles maintenance. In which case you may want to shop around for more reasonably…

You can see my post from a few months ago where I list all the non-ICE-specific maintenance costs from my spreadsheet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45629438

> seatbelt receptacle, a cruise control buttons, roof exterior rubber trim, a headrest, a window switch, washer fluid spray nozzles, lug nuts, wiper blades, shocks, struts, door weather stripping, rivets holding the front plastic splashguard on, headlight bulbs, headlight buffing, washer fluid reservoir cap, replacement speaker, turn signal switch, windshield repair, backup light switch.

Other than washer fluid, wiper blades, and the occasional headlight bulb, many of these I’ve never had to replace on any of my vehicles (ICE or EV), and the few that I’ve had to replace was maybe once on one car.

I feel like you’re an unlucky sample of 1.

Most of my ICE vehicles needed none of these, and only things related to ICE vehicles (oil/fluid changes, brake pads/rotors oil leaks, transmissions, alternators, belts).

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by testdelacc1 »

tgrowazay wrote: post #184
LeafItAlone wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had a cheap (was $15) single salad spinner, for about 15 years. Decent amount of usage in that time, but not professional level. So my question to you is: what the heck are you doing to your salad spinners?

If you spin low-grade uranium ore just right, the heavier particles will deposit on the edges, giving you high-grade uranium.

Please follow HN rules that forbid nuclear proliferation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by mft_ »

jwr wrote: post #161

As a European: nice, but why is it so BIG? How is that monster called "mid-size"? Why would one want to haul so many tons of extra metal around just to transport one's behind?

As a European, I’ve been gently looking forward to Rivian’s R3 for years now. I like the design and it looks much more like a machine that will suit Europe.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by sgt »

taurath wrote: post #180
KennyBlanken wrote: post #159

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Doug's format is beyond worn out and tiresome. He hasn't innovated or improved upon anything in years. Don't even get me started on his voice...

Right you are Ken, but the format pretty much is his schtick. It’s not that entertaining at all anymore, but it’s also decent to know that a review will probably exist for most cars I’m ever considering. For me his value remains mainly that he’s tall which I am too, so when he’s in a car I can guess what it’ll be like for me.

I wanted to do something like that for motorcycles. Show how I fit on various bikes. I am 6'6" Knowing what to say is another matter though.
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