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Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by virgildotcodes »

simianparrot wrote: post #63
virgildotcodes wrote: post #52

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If every time you’re shown an inkblot you see right wing talking points materialize in front of your eyes, it may be time to take a break from social media.

If you think net zero’s failures are a right wing talking point it might be you failing the Rorschach test

You're, of course, misrepresenting what I was replying to. Here it is again:

> 'green everything, at all costs' and importing millions of unskilled people who don't share your values

Are you in good faith attempting to argue that those sentiments are not predominantly right wing talking points?

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by stingraycharles »

ekianjo wrote: post #168
rich_sasha wrote: post #150

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I'll take the EU over US, China, UN or any other bit bureaucracy you can think of. And I'll take the EU over ni EU as well.

that seems to be an unpopular take in Europe right now since you have a clear rise of extremist parties in all its corners.

In most countries those are the minority, and they seem to be riding a mostly populist wave. The EU isn’t going anywhere any time soon.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by joe_mamba »

jamespo wrote: post #143
joe_mamba wrote: post #133

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>Your response is, completely expected, an appeal to outrage. How do you react towards ageism and discrimination? >It’s just that account age is one of the few signals that an online platform has to go by. None of that invalidates or even addresses my arguments. It's still about exclusion of people based on account date rather than WHAT they say. >HN absolutely recognizes this in their policy, considering that they g…

Hey it's not just ageism, you're also anonymous!

The goalposts always move whenever you want to discredit someone but don't have any valid counter arguments to their arguments. It's either the age of your account, the karma you have, your username, anything but saying why your argument is wrong.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by joe_mamba »

lynx97 wrote: post #117
joe_mamba wrote: post #101

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>48-days old account Since when is the quality of arguments and the understanding of economics and politics tied to the age of your account? Is this how arguments are won here? Age discrimination goes against HN rules. Your opinion on global events is not automatically more correct than others just because you've been on HN 10 years longer than others. >posting doubious takes like this Universally recognized and fact…

They're trying to imply that fresh accounts might be used to steer opinions, IOW, they're trying to imply that you are a politically motivated kind of bot... I agree, its a rather shady approach. But here you go, we'll get more and more of this, its a conveneient method to discredit discussion partners with unwanted opinions.

Except mine is not a fresh account though. THis is just moving the goalposts in search of vapid things to discredit people for unpopular opinions without arguments.

Calling people whose opinions you dislike but can't refute as "bots" is the lowest of the low copes of losing arguments.

Not accusing you of this, just pointing out the hypocrisy of those doing it.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by joe_mamba »

gjadi wrote: post #160
joe_mamba wrote: post #54

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>Meanwhile Europe only got 40k WSPMs of 12+ nm capacity EU leaders and VCs gave up on the electronics industry 20+ years ago and just kept offshoring it to the cheapest suppliers to lower costs and increase shareholder value. You can validate this by looking at which sectors pay the highest EU wages and you'll see that hardware and electronics are not in the top. And working in the electronics industry requires highl…

Not everyone is motivated by the highest wage they can get. Good enough can be good enough and then aim for fun/interesting/challenging/fulfilling work instead of a fatter check.

>Not everyone is motivated by the highest wage they can get.

THis idealism always goes away once you have to buy a home, and realize you're working more hours and getting less money than your mates in other industries that are easier to get into, so you start to switch really quick.

People aren't selfless when it comes to being exploited by private sector entities, they'll always go towards the ones with the best wage/hour ratios.

People aren';t stupid. Why would they voluntarily choose to work harder and be less well off? It's not like this is working for the public good like medicine, firefighters, EMT, education, etc.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by joe_mamba »

jorvi wrote: post #155
joe_mamba wrote: post #57

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>High-end chips should be more of a EU concerted effort rather than every country for itself. And how are we gonna do that exactly? EU runs on national interests of those footing the bill, mainly France and Germany as the largest net contributors. When you're relying on national subsidies to build and run a factory and adjacent infrastructure in a country, you're tied to national interests and demands of those countr…

> And how are we gonna do that exactly? EU runs on national interests of those footing the bill, mainly France and Germany as the largest net contributors. The top net contributors are countries like Denmark, Sweden, The Netherlands, etc., I'm not sure where you get the idea that France and Germany are. I will say you point out another big problem with the EU: its budget is tiny compared to the member states themselv…

> and millenials get in real positions of power, the idea of a more unified EU will get much broader support. So more of an EU army

Wow, how convenient that millenials who age out of military conscription , become more pro-military conscription.

Also, check the stats, majority of EU youth don't want to fight to even protect their own country, let alone other EU countries. For example Only 16% of Germans would "definitely" take up arms to defend Germany if attacked. Let that sink in.

Because why would they? What's to fight for when you can't afford to own a house and people aren't starting families anymore? Go fight and die to protect your landlord's, Blackrock's and Vanguard's wealth? N'ah bro, I'm packing my bags and fleeing across the border any way I can.

So no, the "EU army" fantasy is not happening no matter the propaganda, unless you put a gun to their head.

> I would have said it might have taken much longer, but the US and China bullying single EU countries has really displayed how exposed the current situation is.

You didn't have to wait for US and Chian to bully, you just had to watch the EU's share of global GDP completely slide into oblivion over the last 20 years compared to US and CHian to figure that when you're economically weak you become more exploitable. More EU military will not change that balance unless the EU military can somehow surpass US and CHina combined to dictate world politics and trade in their favor, which let's be real, is not happening.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by LunaSea »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #171
LunaSea wrote: post #64

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Have you heard of Hong Kong?

be it far from me to defend China, but it didn't take over HK -- the UK's treaty expired and it had to return it; it was always going to be the case China has a highly authoritarian government that affords its citizens no political freedom (economic freedom, yes, so long as it aligns with the CCP), and is very dangerous (much more so than Russia even); but when it comes to _foreign policy_ despite the sabre-rattling…

Read the dates again, the date for integration of Hong Kong into China wasn't 2020.

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by gjadi »

joe_mamba wrote: post #185
gjadi wrote: post #160

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Not everyone is motivated by the highest wage they can get. Good enough can be good enough and then aim for fun/interesting/challenging/fulfilling work instead of a fatter check.

>Not everyone is motivated by the highest wage they can get. THis idealism always goes away once you have to buy a home, and realize you're working more hours and getting less money than your mates in other industries that are easier to get into, so you start to switch really quick. People aren't selfless when it comes to being exploited by private sector entities, they'll always go towards the ones with the best wag…

There is always more money elsewhere.

But once you have a home, enough to raise your family and save for later, when is enough enough?

And is the work fun? Fulfilling?

Money is a mean to an end.

Sure you can aim to earn enough to get FIRE asap. In my case, I aim for FIRE in the next 40y while maxing my fun in the meantime :)

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by philipallstar »

mrtksn wrote: post #148
philipallstar wrote: post #142

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> Europe is already a great place to build your life Agreed. Its countries' long-standing equivalents of America First policies mean that they spend far more on their own citizens, import far fewer people, and leave most of the charitable, defence, and research spending to the US taxpayer. Good for them.

I kind of agree that "America First" policies tend to be Europeanization type policies and as a result quite un-American and that's also why USA will end up like Europe if it keeps course. Europe is great in many ways but lacks the dynamism exactly because of its highly controlled immigration policies instead of free market ones. Bureaucrats actually are terrible at picking who should come. A major example are the Tu…

I think that's a good point, but with the caveats that:

Immigration and benefits are in opposition - the more immigration you allow (unless it's careful, skills-based) then there's a strong risk of costs of living rises (e.g. housing becomes more expensive with immigration) and benefits systems requiring higher taxes to pay for them. European countries can sometimes be very strong on immigration (e.g. Denmark) likely because of this reason.

Entrepreneurialism and benefits are in opposition - the more benefits you offer, the higher the taxes need to be, and so the less worth it it is to take risks with money or with time. It's just a tradeoff between risk and safety, and Europe in general (or Western Europe, at least) is more tuned for safety. And why not, if the US is willing to take the risks?

Re: TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

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Post by simianparrot »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #181
simianparrot wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think net zero’s failures are a right wing talking point it might be you failing the Rorschach test

You're, of course, misrepresenting what I was replying to. Here it is again: > 'green everything, at all costs' and importing millions of unskilled people who don't share your values Are you in good faith attempting to argue that those sentiments are not predominantly right wing talking points?

They may be but that doesn’t make them wrong. I don’t keep track of what everyone on any “side” tall about and how many percentages do what. That’s noise. The arguments are valid regardless of who says them.
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