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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by hakunin » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:54 PM UTC

cheema33 wrote: post #159

hakunin wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the points the "other side" makes, this one seems the most incoherent. Code is deterministic, AI isn’t. We don’t have to look at assembly, because a compiler produces the same result every time. If you only understand the code by talking to AI, you would’ve been able to ask AI “how do we do a business feature” and ai would spit out a detailed answer, for a codebase that just says “pretend there is a codebase h…

“Of all the points the other side makes, this one seems the most incoherent. Code is deterministic, AI isn’t. We don’t have to look at assembly, because a compiler produces the same result every time.” This is a valid argument. However, if you create test harnesses using multiple LLMs validating each other’s work, you can get very close to compiler-like deterministic behavior today. And this process will improve over…

It helps, but it doesn't make it deterministic. LLMs could all be misled together. A different story would be if we had deterministic models, where the exact same input always results in the exact same output. I'm not sure why we don't try this tbh.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by plagiarist » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:54 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #30

abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

Please forgive me for being blunt, I want to emphasize how much this strikes me. Your post feels like the last generation lamenting the new generation. Why can't we just use radios and slide rules? If you've ever enjoyed the sci-fi genre, do you think the people in those stories are writing C and JavaScript? There's so much plumbing and refactoring bullshit in writing code. I've written years of five nines high SLA c…

Oh, no, you're imagining the wrong subgenre of sci-fi. These robots are actually owned and operated by billionaires.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by fourside » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:55 PM UTC

ipsento606 wrote: post #115

> Software engineers are scared of designing things themselves. When I use a framework, it's because I believe that the designers of that framework are i) probably better at software engineering than I am, and ii) have encountered all sorts of problems and scaling issues (both in terms of usage and actual codebase size) that I haven't encountered yet, and have designed the framework to ameliorate those problems. Thos…

Yeah the “not invented here” syndrome was considered an anti pattern before the agentic coding boom and I don’t see how these tools make it irrelevant. If you’re starting a business, it’s still likely a distraction if you’re writing all of the components of your stack from scratch. Agentic tools have made development less expensive, but it’s still far from zero. By the author’s admission, they still need to think through all these problems critically, architect them, pick the right patterns. You also have to maintain all this code. That’s a lot of energy that’s not going towards the core of your business.

What I think does change is now you can more easily write components that are tailor made to your problem, and situation. Some of these frameworks are meant to solve problems at varying levels of complexity and need to worry about avoid breaking changes. It’s nice to have the option to develop alternatives that are as sophisticated as your problem needs and not more. But I’m not convinced that it’s always the right choice to build something custom.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by HighGoldstein » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:56 PM UTC

nojito wrote: post #157

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

>A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. Correct. Those who wave away coding agents and refuse to engrain them into their workflows are going to be left behind in the dust.

> Correct. Those who wave away AI and refuse to engrain it into their workflows are going to be left behind in the dust.

Similar to those who waved away crypto and are now left behind in the dust, yes?

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by verdverm » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:56 PM UTC

capyba wrote: post #29

abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

Your last sentence describes my thoughts exactly. I try to incorporate Claude into my workflow, just to see what it can do, and the best I’ve ended up with is - if I had written it completely by myself from the start, I would have finished the project in the same amount of time but I’d understand the details far better. Even just some AI-assisted development in the trickier parts of my code bases completely robs me o…

Have you added agents.md files?

You have to do more than prompts to get the more impressive results

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by SoftTalker » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:56 PM UTC

geophile wrote: post #178

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

The article gets at this briefly and moves on: "I can do all of this with the experience on my back of having laid the bricks, spread the mortar, cut and sewn for twenty years. If I don’t like something, I can go in, understand it and fix it as I please, instructing once and for all my setup to do what I want next time." I think this dynamic applies to any use of AI, or indeed, any form of outsourcing. You can outsou…

> instructing once and for all my setup to do what I want next time.

This works up to a point, but eventually your "setup" gets complicated, some of your demands conflict, or have different priorities, and you're relying on the AI to sort it out the way you expect.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by MrDarcy » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:57 PM UTC

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

This comment ignores the key insight of the article. Design is what matters most now. Design is the difference between vibe coding and software engineering.

Given a good design, software engineers today are 100x more productive. What they produce is high quality due to the design. Production is fast and cheap due to the agents.

You are correct, there will be a reckoning for large scale systems which are vibe coded. They author is also correct, well designed systems no longer need frameworks or vendors, and they are unlikely to fail because they were well designed from the start.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by htuibxtuhidb » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:58 PM UTC

nojito wrote: post #157

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

>A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. Correct. Those who wave away coding agents and refuse to engrain them into their workflows are going to be left behind in the dust.

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by kenjackson » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 4:59 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #175

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

I find that instructing AI to use frameworks yields better results and sets you up for a better outcome. I use Claude Code with both Django and React which its surprisingly good with. I rather use software thats tried and tested. The only time I let it write its own is when I want ultra minimal CSS.

This. For area where you can use tested and tried libraries (or tools in general) LLMs will generate better code when they use them.

In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks. It could end up being the opposite that frameworks and libraries become more important with LLMs.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by SoftTalker » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 5:00 PM UTC

exe34 wrote: post #180

ipsento606 wrote: post #115

> Software engineers are scared of designing things themselves. When I use a framework, it's because I believe that the designers of that framework are i) probably better at software engineering than I am, and ii) have encountered all sorts of problems and scaling issues (both in terms of usage and actual codebase size) that I haven't encountered yet, and have designed the framework to ameliorate those problems. Thos…

my problem with frameworks has always been that the moment I want to do something the framework writers aren't interested in, I now have three problems: my problem, how to implement it in the underlying platform and how to work around the framework to not break my feature.

Yes this happens in every framework I've ever used. My approach used to be to try to work around it, but now I've got these local exceptions to what the framework does and that is inevitably where problems/bugs pop up. Now I simply say "we can't implement the feature that way in this framework, we need to rework the specification." I no longer try to work against the framework, it's just a massive time sink and creates problems down the road.

It's like designing a kitchen and you don't make all the spaces some multiple of three inches. Now, standard cabinets and appliances will not fit. You will be using filler panels or need custom cabinetry. And anyone who later wants countertops or different cabinets will be working around this design too. Just follow the established standard practices.