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Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by int_19h »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #177
mcmcmc wrote: post #169

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What a ridiculous excuse. People who join ICE to brutalize minorities and protestors are just trying to feed their families too, then. No? Working for Microsoft doesn’t make them bad engineers or bad people, but it does make them Microsoft employees. And they get to bear its reputation whether they want to or not. If it makes them uncomfortable then they should make a change or grow thicker skin. Oversaturation of th…

> People who join ICE to brutalize minorities and protestors are just trying to feed their families too, then. 1400 ISIS (the islamist state) terrorists who made their way to the US, identified by the DHS. https://www.dhs.gov/wow Look at the list here. 2084 pages already, 12 entries per page: that's 25 000 criminals. They're listing their crimes. 25 000 criminals already arrested is a huge lot. Be honest with yoursel…

> Are you that convinced, from your moral high ground where you judge Microsoft employees and ICE agents, that you'll be on the right side of history?

Yes.

It really isn't difficult to figure out who the bad guys are, at the moment.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by rendaw »

stackghost wrote: post #110
rendaw wrote: post #75

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Is it not? You link the "library os" and you no longer need an os (when running in a supervisor) IIUC.

I think parent poster was referring to an actual library, i.e. where you would borrow books. That's also what I thought this was, and came to the comments expecting to see something neat about why libraries might need bespoke operating systems.

Ah right! Yeah, I did think that too..., like locked down so random patrons couldn't do this or that. I was thinking that was quite a pivot for MS though too...

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by WorldMaker »

int_19h wrote: post #180
WorldMaker wrote: post #140

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Copilot today supports the top-level AGENTS.md approach as well, which seems to be the cross-tool "standard".

It is a standard in a sense that they will all read it (although last I checked you still need to adjust the default config with Gemini). But feature support varies between different tooling. For example, only Claude supports @including other files.

The "standard" AGENTS.md suggestion for that is [regular markdown links](./like-this.md)

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by ngcazz »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #177
mcmcmc wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a ridiculous excuse. People who join ICE to brutalize minorities and protestors are just trying to feed their families too, then. No? Working for Microsoft doesn’t make them bad engineers or bad people, but it does make them Microsoft employees. And they get to bear its reputation whether they want to or not. If it makes them uncomfortable then they should make a change or grow thicker skin. Oversaturation of th…

> People who join ICE to brutalize minorities and protestors are just trying to feed their families too, then. 1400 ISIS (the islamist state) terrorists who made their way to the US, identified by the DHS. https://www.dhs.gov/wow Look at the list here. 2084 pages already, 12 entries per page: that's 25 000 criminals. They're listing their crimes. 25 000 criminals already arrested is a huge lot. Be honest with yoursel…

Blackshirt elegy over here folks.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by bionsystem »

sharts wrote: post #160
trimethylpurine wrote: post #111

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The response appears to be pointing out that with so many employees (engineers), it's unlikely that they all work on Windows.

Don’t the best of the best typically work on OS fundamentals though?

Maybe not, there are plenty of hard things to do at Microsoft scale, hypervisors (which I guess could count as "OS" but maybe not "Windows" in the consumer-product line sense), compilers, languages, hardware since Microsoft is doing that too, browsers (although the hard part is chrome-based, probably they contribute to it), databases, distributed systems for cloud products, etc. Plenty of hard things to do.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by bionsystem »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #171
mcmcmc wrote: post #169

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What a ridiculous excuse. People who join ICE to brutalize minorities and protestors are just trying to feed their families too, then. No? Working for Microsoft doesn’t make them bad engineers or bad people, but it does make them Microsoft employees. And they get to bear its reputation whether they want to or not. If it makes them uncomfortable then they should make a change or grow thicker skin. Oversaturation of th…

Do you have kids? If not, I agree with you. Make the hard decision and take a loss. And thank you for your sacrifice. If you do, I can't agree with you. Also I wouldn't compare software development for a marketing company with a violent disagreeable effort. There's bad and there's worse, objectively. Anyway, not saying you're wrong, but I'm not so quick to judge someone by a job that they probably hate. Or to wrap 10…

There are companies I wouldn't candidate for, even with kids I think, although it's hard to say, I don't have kids, and apparently there is a mind-shift happening when you get one. Oracle, Palantir come to mind. But maybe not Microsoft, I don't know about that one. It's probably bad, but maybe not "I prefer to watch my kids starving" kind of bad.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by bionsystem »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #177
mcmcmc wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a ridiculous excuse. People who join ICE to brutalize minorities and protestors are just trying to feed their families too, then. No? Working for Microsoft doesn’t make them bad engineers or bad people, but it does make them Microsoft employees. And they get to bear its reputation whether they want to or not. If it makes them uncomfortable then they should make a change or grow thicker skin. Oversaturation of th…

> People who join ICE to brutalize minorities and protestors are just trying to feed their families too, then. 1400 ISIS (the islamist state) terrorists who made their way to the US, identified by the DHS. https://www.dhs.gov/wow Look at the list here. 2084 pages already, 12 entries per page: that's 25 000 criminals. They're listing their crimes. 25 000 criminals already arrested is a huge lot. Be honest with yoursel…

You are missing out the entire point. In a justice system, a single innocent in prison is a thousand times worse than a free criminal. This is where most people draw the line if they think about it. Because when you put innocents under arrest, suddenly you are no better than dictatorships and terrorist state.

The real justice is investing in a security system that tracks, investigates, and condemn actual criminals, in a targetted way, so that honest people can live securely and free. Believe it or not, plenty of countries manage to do that pretty well.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by bonesss »

petterroea wrote: post #179
simonw wrote: post #90

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Microsoft employ over 100,000 engineers. I'd advise against assuming that everything produced by any of them is bad because of bugs in Windows.

Skilled engineers in an environment that doesn't care about quality may become dull, or simply be forced by the system they are in to not care. In practice they are just like us and so I assume they would find outlets in their free time. I haven't spoken to a Microsoft developer in a while because there are few in the hacker communities I'm around (go figure?) so not entirely sure though. I want to understand.

These giant firms aren’t uniform monoliths, especially MS.

Microsoft has some clear ‘A’ teams (compilers, industry leading languages, F*, pioneering web tech, OS innovations, etc), but also ‘B’, ‘C’ and ‘D’ teams, and MS is often reactively chasing industry trends. They’re industry leaders, but also victims of their Office, Windows, and Cloud teams pooping on one another at critical market junctures.

In .Net land we can inspect their library code. A number of these ‘Enterprise’ packages around their ‘Enterprise’ solutions are … just passable. Often something you’d write a proper version of to avoid clear issues. When our juniors are delivering better than their official offerings, in light of wizardry being displayed elsewhere, I think we are seeing systematic effects of corporate culture and customer base.

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