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The RCE that AMD won't fix

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Re: The RCE that AMD won't fix

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No, you want to move goalposts, but we're not speaking of some arbitrary "total attack surface". The article itself is also about a potential MITM. Then you list three cherry-picked cases, none of which actually touch upon the concerns that a plaintext connection introduces or exposes. Please stop, it's silly. There is fundamentally no reasonable threat model where a plaintext connection (involving all these previous…

You don't call it "cherry-picking" when a person lists fundamental flaws in your argument. Constantly ignoring all the flaws outlined and just reiterating your initial opinion with no basis whatsoever is at best ignorance, at worst trolling. HTTP with signed packages is by definition a protocol with authenticated payloads, and encryption exclusively provides privacy. And no, we're not singeling out the least likely a…

I do call it cherry-picking because you chose scenarios that either apply to it also without TLS or the scenarios are just (intentionally) extremely narrow in scope.

You have repeatedly ignored that we're speaking about protections against a MITM, not malicious endpoints. Because of that your desperate attempt at talking about the "whole stack" talk is also nonsense. Even if you include it, a modern TLS stack is a very difficult target. The additional surface added that hasn't been inspected with a fine-toothed comb is microscopic.

As such you've excluded the core of the problem - how an unprotected connection means that you have to simultaneously ensure that your HTTP, PGP and Apt code has to be bulletproof. This is an unavoidable result, signatures or no signatures, all that surface is exposed.

You've provided no proof or proper arguments that all three of those can achieve the same level of protection against a MITM. You've not addressed how the minuscule surface added by the TLS stack is not worth it considering the enormous surface of HTTP+PGP+Apt that gets protected against a MITM.

TLS also provides more than just privacy, I recommend you familiarize yourself with the Wikipedia page of TLS.

Re: The RCE that AMD won't fix

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I have implemented parts of all three. I doubt you have. > Adding TLS in front of HTTP when talking to an untrusted third-party server, can only ever increase your attack surface. No, against a MITM it instantly subtracts the surface inside the TLS from the equation. Which is the entire point. > [...] that's why we have file signatures in the first place. You still don't understand that even before the cryptographic…

> I start getting the feeling that you're involved in keeping the package repositories stuck in the past. I start getting the feeling that you have no actual experience in threat modelling.

This entire discussion has been about MITM attacks but you keep making arguments that are irrelevant in this context. A compromised web server that's serving malicious data is not a MITM attack.

Do you acknowledge this disconnect? Is there a good reason why you keep responding to discussion about MITM with ridicule and the type of responses I'd expect from someone who's severely confused what constitutes a MITM attack and what doesn't?

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