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When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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Re: When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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She was (or is) at Facebook, and "clowntown" and "clowny" are words you see there.

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No that's Von Clownstick. I won't link to the video, where Jon Stewart made it up, as that would probably be a bit much, for here.

Re: When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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post #159

Hostnames are not private information. There are too many ways how they get leaked to the outside world. It can be useful to hide a private service behind a URL that isn't easy to guess (less attack surfaces, because a lot of attackers can't find the service). But it needs to be inside the URL path, not the hostname. bad: my-hidden-fileservice-007-abc123.example.com/ good: fileservice.example.com/my-hidden-service-00…

Marginally better for sure but in this case the path would also have been "leaked" to the sentry instance owned by developers of the the NAS device phoning home. This can happen in zillions of ways and is a good reason to use relatively opaque urls in generally and not "friendly ids" and generally being careful abou putting secrets in URLs.

Just try it. The first example gets attacked by bots nearly immediately after issuing a TLS cert. The second one usually doesn't get detected at all.

Re: When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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post #153

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Hehe, just reading that. > The poster described how she was able to retrieve her car after service just by giving the attendant her last name. Now any normal car owner would be happy about how easy it was to get her car back, but someone with a security mindset immediately thinks: “Can I really get a car just by knowing the last name of someone whose car is being serviced?” Just a couple of hours ago, I picked my car…

I feel like that car security situation also is sort of setup to tell us about how folks with a security mindset can go overboard? Some car dealership who never had a car stolen hires a consultant and they identify this pickup situation as a problem. Then they implement some wild security and now customers who just dropped off their car, just talked to the same customer service person about the weather ... have to go…

It certainly feels that way here in 2026. It seems like I'm spending so much time "verifying" and "authenticating" and clicking somewhere so that the service can send me a code in E-mail. And more and more services are getting super aggressive. Biometrics, 2FA, uploading government ID, uploading face scans... Good grief!

I can imagine being in info-sec is a rough life. When you get breached, they're blamed. So they spend all their time red-teaming and coming up with outlandish ways that their systems can be compromised, and equally outlandish hoops for users to jump through just to use their product. So the product gets all these hoops. And then an attacker gets even more creative, breaches you again, and now your product has horrible UX + you're still getting breached.

Re: When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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post #153

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I feel like that car security situation also is sort of setup to tell us about how folks with a security mindset can go overboard? Some car dealership who never had a car stolen hires a consultant and they identify this pickup situation as a problem. Then they implement some wild security and now customers who just dropped off their car, just talked to the same customer service person about the weather ... have to go…

And then some person realizes that government ids can be faked, so they set up a system of doing a retinal scan of the person dropping off the car and then comparing it to the retinal scan of the person picking it up. Then they realize that one person may be bribed so they require at least two people to verify at pickup and drop off. Meanwhile, a car has never ever been stolen this way.

And when I need my wife to pickup my car for me because I took hers to work and she's taking an Uber to get my car...?

Definitely over the top issue.

Re: When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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post #34

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Obligatory Bruce Scneier: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/03/the_security_...

Hehe, just reading that. > The poster described how she was able to retrieve her car after service just by giving the attendant her last name. Now any normal car owner would be happy about how easy it was to get her car back, but someone with a security mindset immediately thinks: “Can I really get a car just by knowing the last name of someone whose car is being serviced?” Just a couple of hours ago, I picked my car…

Aren't there easier ways to steal cars? Like, go to an open parking lot, pick the lock, and start the car by connecting the right wires.

It's risky, sure. But the garage situation also seems risky.

Re: When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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Stuff like this is why I consider uBlock Origin to be the bare minimum security software for going on the web. The amount of 3rd party scripts running on most pages, constantly leaking data to everybody listening, is just mind boggling. It's treating a symptom rather than a disease, but what else can we do?

I also have taken to using adguard home on the router. It blocks 15 or 20 percent of all my traffic. It's quite scary how bad the tracking and other nasties has become.

Re: When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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post #107

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> the idea being that the platform is "someone else's computer" I have a vague memory of once having a userscript or browser extension that replaced every instance of the word "cloud" with "other peoples' computers". (iirc while funny, it was not practical, and I removed it). fwiw I agree and I do not believe using "the cloud" for everything is a good idea either, I've just never heard of the word "clown" being used…

“Cloud to butt” was popular in the early cloud days. It went around Google internally, and caused some… interesting issues.

I remember ridiculing "cloud computing" by calling it "clown computing" decades ago. It's pretty old and well established snark-jargon, like spelling Micro$oft with a dollar sign.

Re: When internal hostnames are leaked to the clown

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post #153

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I feel like that car security situation also is sort of setup to tell us about how folks with a security mindset can go overboard? Some car dealership who never had a car stolen hires a consultant and they identify this pickup situation as a problem. Then they implement some wild security and now customers who just dropped off their car, just talked to the same customer service person about the weather ... have to go…

It certainly feels that way here in 2026. It seems like I'm spending so much time "verifying" and "authenticating" and clicking somewhere so that the service can send me a code in E-mail. And more and more services are getting super aggressive. Biometrics, 2FA, uploading government ID, uploading face scans... Good grief! I can imagine being in info-sec is a rough life. When you get breached, they're blamed. So they s…

On the flip side... I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain how public/private key crypto works do developers and IT security staff working in government projects. And this is just for one-way trust of JWTs for SSO integrations.

I mean, I don't mind if the same dev public-keys are used nearly everywhere in internal dev and testing environments... but JFC, don't deploy them to client infrastructure for our apps.

FWIW, aside... for about the last decade, I generally separate auth from the application I'm working with, relying on a limited set of established roles and RSA signed JWTs, allowing for the configuration of one or more issuers. This allows for a "devauth" that you can run locally for a whoever you want usage. While more easily integrating into other SSO systems and bridges with other auth services/systems in differing production environments. Even with firm SSO/Ouath, etc services, it's still the gist of configuration.

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