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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by AlecSchueler »

nosianu wrote: post #140
AlecSchueler wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "have no immigration enforcement and permanently halt deportations” is also unacceptable? The latter seems to be the solution being pushed by one party. What party? What makes it "seem" that way? Could you link to anyone calling for this?

Those using memes along the lines of "nobody is illegal" (sometimes "on stolen land" is added)? This is a movement not limited to the US. Here in Europe there is a similar movement, using that same slogan. They don't want any borders or border enforcement at all. Merely for illustration, a single example: https://abc7.com/post/protests-expected-socal-part-nationwid... > Protesters were seen carrying flags, signs and…

The protest you linked wasn't calling for completely open borders. That's also not policy of either of the main parties in the US, as was implied above. I understand "no one is illegal" to be a counter to the use of language like "illegals" to describe the humans involved.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by cassepipe »

nosianu wrote: post #140
AlecSchueler wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "have no immigration enforcement and permanently halt deportations” is also unacceptable? The latter seems to be the solution being pushed by one party. What party? What makes it "seem" that way? Could you link to anyone calling for this?

Those using memes along the lines of "nobody is illegal" (sometimes "on stolen land" is added)? This is a movement not limited to the US. Here in Europe there is a similar movement, using that same slogan. They don't want any borders or border enforcement at all. Merely for illustration, a single example: https://abc7.com/post/protests-expected-socal-part-nationwid... > Protesters were seen carrying flags, signs and…

Yes some leftists and anarchiste do. Do you really believe the Democrats support that motto ?

Don't you guys remind us about Obama being "the deporter in chief" every time you are given the occasion ?

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by maldev »

defrost wrote: post #178
maldev wrote: post #177

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> So, the government did an investigation Not the state government, and the federal government is in the midst of not a investigation under the pretence of having one. > But if you try to run over the police. She did not. It's very clear that she did not. Also .. ICE agents .. not "the police" - these were immigration agents overstepping their bounds. See stories about breaking multiple judges orders.

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by cassepipe »

xp84 wrote: post #125
Paracompact wrote: post #107

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Some people have absolutist takes on these sorts of things. If the stated purpose makes sense ("stop illegal immigration"), they will dismiss tragedies as routine accidents of an imperfect world. If they have no sense of when exceptions become intolerable and course-correction becomes necessary, then by definition, no amount of evidence will change their mind.

What if we believe that those shootings are completely unacceptable (probably criminal), but that “have no immigration enforcement and permanently halt deportations” is also unacceptable? The latter seems to be the solution being pushed by one party. Like always, the left’s problem is that their proposed solutions read like they were written by teenagers, based on emotions and dismissive of the reasons why their supp…

Then shouldn't you blame the party making a absolute shitshow of enforcing immigration out of incompetence and cruelty instead ? (and pressuring a state for its voters roll in the foolish attempt at meddlmeddling with the next election)

If I want what I believe is a reasonable policy and the enforcers of that policy start doing the worst job ever, it is my duty to call them out, not to call out the opposing side for mostly imaginary reasons.

Abolish ICE is not a unreasonable take. If the agents working in this agency have become some ultra politicized paramilitary, it makes sense to abolish it and create a new agency altogether.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by jamboca »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #163
jamboca wrote: post #106

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i want to comment something violently hateful towards you. but at this point I feel bad for people like you. indeed you are already living out some twisted arc of the karmic cycle which results in your life and making this comment. i hope you find help eventually and i wish peace for you.

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firstly i dont dont care about you or what you have to think. second escalation is meaningless Lol what is this a boxing gym? we’re on an internet forum

put simply ice is a violent private militia. and people like you won’t see it until they are knocking at your door. or never. goes back to my first point. you are already living in hell

nvm this has to be bait Bye

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by nosianu »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #181
nosianu wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those using memes along the lines of "nobody is illegal" (sometimes "on stolen land" is added)? This is a movement not limited to the US. Here in Europe there is a similar movement, using that same slogan. They don't want any borders or border enforcement at all. Merely for illustration, a single example: https://abc7.com/post/protests-expected-socal-part-nationwid... > Protesters were seen carrying flags, signs and…

The protest you linked wasn't calling for completely open borders. That's also not policy of either of the main parties in the US, as was implied above. I understand "no one is illegal" to be a counter to the use of language like "illegals" to describe the humans involved.

Why do you choose that single example, which I said was just that, and pretend my whole statement hinges on it?

You are either misinformed, willfully ignorant or lying, and I've had it with this discussion style.

Yes, people who use "no one is illegal" do also say "no more borders". Not every single one, clearly humans are diverse, but your statement is just false.

Here a UK example even combining the statements (as I said, the movement is not limited to the US). https://www.jstor.org/stable/community.11073215

Another example, also showing this is an older movement (2005): https://www.statewatch.org/media/documents/news/2005/apr/int... ("No Borders/No One Is Illegal campaigns")

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by hackable_sand »

Diti wrote: post #71
testfrequency wrote: post #59

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If you’re not awake already, you support what’s happening. Blind, which I realize is a bit of the wild west, is full of racist anti-immigration/pro ICE hatred. Obviously, you can see where users work/worked, and it’s every company you could imagine. The sad reality is that a lot of people will do what they can to support racist agendas, possibly even motivate them to work at certain companies as it feels moralizing t…

With the sorry state the software industry is currently in, I’m not surprised that developers would sell their soul in exchange for the peace of mind of being able to pay rent and food. Working for those companies does not make people “do what they can to support racist agendas”.

I can pay rent and feed myself without hurting people

Everything else is an excuse

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by cassepipe »

runsWphotons wrote: post #108
elnatro wrote: post #101

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Please, enlighten me a non-American, what laws allow shooting and killing civilians on broad light on the USA?

When an officer has reasonable suspicion that a civilian poses a threat to his life, he can shoot them. Once police start shooting they are trained to continue shooting until the target is incapacitated. That's the law. Whether the recent shootings you saw meet that standard is up for debate.

Sure but the first was arguably unreasonable and the second one was omg are you f@##%&@ kidding me, didn't you see the video about a peppered sprayed guy on his belly on the ground then not possibly brandishing with no gun since it had just been removed from him ?

It's fine to make reasonable sounding comments but for the love of God, a bit honesty wouldn't kill you.

"The party told you to ignore the evidence you see with your own ears and eyes*

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

surgical_fire wrote: post #112
School-Cotton wrote: post #100

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Okay, I'll accept your point for those software engineers that have a choice between working at an immoral company or "homelessness and starvation". Thankfully, that isn't most of them. Despite the job market not being as good as it used to be, the vast majority of software engineers in the US could still find another job to pay the bills before becoming homeless and starving.

If that's the case, great then. I did work for a company I find morally objectionable in the past (i.e.: evil), and I eventually found my way out. At the time I was still paying rent and needed employment to keep my visa. I also had little savings, and an ill parent that depended on me. I certainly couldn't take the principled stance of "fuck this, I'm out". My point is that if you are in the position to take a princ…

I sympathize with your situation, and I'm not calling you a monster. But "I had no choice, I had people depending on me" is the exact reasoning that has enabled every atrocity carried out by ordinary people; it's the banality of evil.

None of the individual acts seem evil. Conducting a census isn't evil. Collating the data isn't evil. Arresting people with the wrong papers isn't necessarily evil. Driving a train isn't evil. Operating a switch isn't evil. Processing paperwork isn't evil.

Look what's proposed now: Adtech has the data, this would feed into ICE systems leading to arrests, flights are conducted, and people get put into prison camps like CECOT where they have no recourse and where people are already talking about forced labor.

So no, I'm not saying to these folks "you're literally causing Auschwitz". That's a famous Vernichtungslager, and that's not true yet.

But people getting locked up in Concentrationslager or Arbeitslager (like historically : Mittelbau-Dora, Flossenbürg, Mauthausen, and Monowitz). I think we're getting there.

I guess the question is: at which point do you decide maybe to wear extra layers or skip a meal instead? We're not there yet. The chain has many links. Eternal vigilance is needed to make sure they don't actually link up.

(ps. Imagine if I was posting this in 2024! Can I exchange this timeline for another please? )

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by cassepipe »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #131
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #109

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Is that the 'police don't need to identify themselves and should wear face masks' or the 'you aren't allowed to film the police because it interferes with our trying to be a secret police force' laws? Or the 'you aren't doing anything illegal but the masked government agents don't like it so they are going to use your biometrics to harass you in whatever ways the feds can make your life more difficult' laws?

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under penalty of death ?
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