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LLMs as the new high level language

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Re: LLMs as the new high level language

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Post by Izkata »

rl3 wrote: post #175
PunchyHamster wrote: post #156

At this point I'm just waiting for people claiming they managed team of 20 people, where "20 people" were LLMs being fed a prompt

It's not a complete agentic setup until your chain of command goes at least nine levels deep.* I want my C-suite and V-suite LLMs to feel like they earned their positions through hard work, values, and commitment to their company. * = (Not to be confused with a famous poem by Dante Alighieri)

Well, I found this a bit ago through an offhand mention on reddit: https://github.com/bmad-code-org/BMAD-METHOD

> Specialized Agents: 12+ domain experts (PM, Architect, Developer, UX, Scrum Master, and more)

Re: LLMs as the new high level language

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Post by DaedalusII »

The biggest and least controversial thing will be when anthropic create a onedrive/googledrive integration that lets white collar employees create, edit, and export word documents into pdfs, referring to other files in the folder. This alone will increase average white paper employee productivity by 100x and lead to the most job displacement.

For instance: Here is an email from my manager at 1pm today. Open the policy document he is referring to, create a new version, and add the changes he wants. refer to the entire codebase (our company onedrive/google drive/dropbox whatever) to make sure it is contextually correct.

>Sure, here is the document for your review

Great, reply back to manager with attachment linked to OneDrive

Re: LLMs as the new high level language

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Post by imiric »

tomaytotomato wrote: post #5

I would like to hijack the "high level language" term to mean dopamine hits from using an LLM. "Generate a Frontend End for me now please so I don't need to think" LLM starts outputting tokens Dopamine hit to the brain as I get my reward without having to run npm and figure out what packages to use Then out of a shadowy alleyway a man in a trenchcoat approaches "Pssssttt, all the suckers are using that tool, come try…

I can't tell if your general premise is serious or not, but in case it is: I get zero dopamine hits from using these tools.

My dopamine rush comes from solving a problem, learning something new, producing a particularly elegant and performant piece of code, etc. There's an aspect of hubris involved, to be sure.

Using a tool to produce the end result gives me no such satisfaction. It's akin to outsourcing my work to someone who can do it faster than me. If anything, I get cortisol hits when the tool doesn't follow my directions and produces garbage output, which I have to troubleshoot and fix myself.

Re: LLMs as the new high level language

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Post by misiek08 »

leptons wrote: post #112
ChrisGreenHeur wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may have bad news for you on how compilers typically work.

Compilers are about 10 orders of magnitude more deterministic than LLMs, if not more.

Currently it’s about closing that gap.

And 10 orders is optimistic value - LLMs are random with some probability of solving the real problem (and I think of real systems, not a PoC landing page or 2-3 models CRUD) now. Every month they are now getting visibly better of course.

The „old” world may output different assembly or bytecode everytime, but running it will result in same outputs - maybe slower, maybe faster. LLMs now for same prompt can generate working or non-working or - faking solution.

As always - what a time to be alive!

Re: LLMs as the new high level language

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Post by pavlov »

noduerme wrote: post #179
pavlov wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This claim has been going around for a while. I know someone who has been spending $7k / month on Cursor tokens for the past six months, managing such a team of agents… But curiously the results seem to be endless PDF-ware, and every month there’s a new reason why the project is not yet quite ready to be used on real data. LLMs are very good at making you think they’re giving you what you hoped to get.

They're also very good at demoralizing people who actually code for a living. Or at least the hype surrounding them is. Up until a couple years ago I'd simply dive into a new coding assignment and be excited to solve all the problems. Some new widget? Maybe I could find a way to make the UX flow better, or add a couple neat little transitions, or heck even improve the mechanics or the business logic. I now find mysel…

This happened to painters and illustrators a few years earlier than programmers.

People used to think detailed drawing and realistic painting were kinds of unachievable wizardry. Now they go on ChatGPT or Midjourney and press a button. Professionals despair at the slop results, but they’re good enough for most people.

I try to think of this positively as a transition similar to the invention of photography. The bourgeois classes used to need artists to paint pictures of themselves and their daughters. The camera turned portrait creation into a one-button affair. But that actually freed artists to be more creative. Monet and Picasso happened after photography for an obvious reason.

Re: LLMs as the new high level language

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

abcde666777 wrote: post #130

Are these kinds of articles a new breed of rage bait? They keep ending up on the front page with thriving comment sections, but in terms of content they're pretty low in nutritional value. So I'm guessing they just rise because they spark a debate?

This one didn't contain a sepia tinted ai slop diagram so it beats the average

Re: LLMs as the new high level language

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Post by sublinear »

DaedalusII wrote: post #183

The biggest and least controversial thing will be when anthropic create a onedrive/googledrive integration that lets white collar employees create, edit, and export word documents into pdfs, referring to other files in the folder. This alone will increase average white paper employee productivity by 100x and lead to the most job displacement. For instance: Here is an email from my manager at 1pm today. Open the polic…

Your example actually perfectly describes why it won't displace anyone.

The user still has to be in the loop to instruct the LLM every time, and the tiniest nuances in each execution of that work still matters. If it didn't we'd have replaced people with bash scripts many decades ago. When we've tried to do that, the maintenance of those scripts became a game of whack-a-mole that never ended and they're eventually abandoned. I think sometimes people forget how ineffective most software is even when written as good as it can be. LLMs don't unlock any new abilities there.

What this actually does is make people more available for meeting time. Productivity doesn't budge at all. :)

In other words, the "busy work" has always been faster to do than the decision making, and if someone has meetings to attend they don't strictly do busy work.

Maybe the more interesting outcome is that with the increased meeting time comes much deeper drinks of the kool-aid, and businesses become more cultish than they already are. That to me sounds far more sinister than kicking people out onto the curb. Employees become "agents of change" through the money and influence they're given. They might actually hire more :D

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