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Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by falloutx »

modeless wrote: post #111

People pooh-poohing space datacenters will obviously think this is a bad move. But Elon clearly believes space datacenters will work. Given that, and the fact that SpaceX will IPO this year, this acquisition was inevitable. SpaceX and xAI would not be able to freely collaborate on space datacenters after the IPO because it would be self-dealing. SpaceX likes to be vertically integrated, so they wouldn't want to just…

Space datacenters just so grok can undress women? this is the dumbest company on the planet

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by [deleted] »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #159
alangibson wrote: post #89

Either this is a straight up con, or Musk found a glitch in physics. It's extremely difficult to keep things cold in space.

what makes you believe this? radiators can be made as long as desirable within the shade of the solar panels, hence the designer can pracitically set arbitrarily low temperatures above the background temperature of the universe.

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Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by Veserv »

wongarsu wrote: post #117
rybosworld wrote: post #70

> The basic math is that launching a million tons per year of satellites generating 100 kW of compute power per ton would add 100 gigawatts of AI compute capacity annually, with no ongoing operational or maintenance needs. Ultimately, there is a path to launching 1 TW/year from Earth. > My estimate is that within 2 to 3 years, the lowest cost way to generate AI compute will be in space. This is so obviously false. Fo…

You operate them like Microsoft's submerged data center project: you don't do maintenance, whatever fails fails. You start with enough redundancy in critical components like power and networking and accept that compute resources will slowly decrease as nodes fail No operational needs is obviously ... simplified. You still need to manage downlink capacity, station keeping, collision avoidance, etc. But for a large con…

You mean you operate them like Microsoft's failed submerged data center project [1]. When pointing at validating past examples you are generally supposed to point at successes.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Natick

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by paxys »

brokensegue wrote: post #139
paxys wrote: post #125

Just a neat bit of financial engineering. You can tell because Elon picked SpaceX instead of Tesla – which would have actually made sense at some level (Optimus Robots + AI). But Tesla is public and so he'd need to follow laws and reporting requirements.

does he need spacex/xai to prop up tesla or the other way around?

Tesla is still very profitable, as is SpaceX I assume. Twitter/X has been a $44 billion dollar failure, and xAI is a vanity project so Musk can go around saying he is a player in the AI space. Investors in both X and xAI need to be bailed out, hence this announcement.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by monero-xmr »

SimianSci wrote: post #142
kachapopopow wrote: post #132

isn't this just fraud in broad daylight? I don't get it. Why not at least try to hide it?

Its only fraud if poor people do it. Welcome to American politics.

Poor people are using their public car company to buy their private space company?

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Post by riffraff »

finolex1 wrote: post #42

This is either insanely ambitious genius or pure shithousery. I guess we'll find out which one it is in 10 years

well, Musk has been overpromising and under delivering for a decade (or more?), so it seems pretty clear this too is shithousery, albeit possibly ambitious.

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Post by adastra22 »

jopsen wrote: post #104
rybosworld wrote: post #70

> The basic math is that launching a million tons per year of satellites generating 100 kW of compute power per ton would add 100 gigawatts of AI compute capacity annually, with no ongoing operational or maintenance needs. Ultimately, there is a path to launching 1 TW/year from Earth. > My estimate is that within 2 to 3 years, the lowest cost way to generate AI compute will be in space. This is so obviously false. Fo…

> in what fantasy world would the ongoing operational and maintenance needs be 0? Well, if you can't get there, you can't do maintenance, so there is zero maintenance :)

Satellites have large operational costs. Satellite fleets even more so.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by TheGRS »

pantalaimon wrote: post #112
alangibson wrote: post #89

Either this is a straight up con, or Musk found a glitch in physics. It's extremely difficult to keep things cold in space.

Existing satellites manage to keep their equipment that already can consume several kW cool just fine. You might need space for radiators, but there is plenty space in space.

I'm not big on this subject, but I understand that heat transfer is difficult in space, because there's little to transfer to. If the solution is just making large radiators, then that means you're sending some big payloads full of radiators. Not to mention all the solar panels needed. I wanna live in sci-fi land too, but I don't see how it makes any sense compared to a terrestrial data center.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by fwip »

grosswait wrote: post #131
fglapr wrote: post #91

The whole universe was supposed to be turned into paperclips, now it is being turned into graphics cards to produce images of barely legal girls on X. And Musk keeps grifting about Kardashev 2 civilizations while his rockets do not even reach the moon. If SpaceX goes public, that will rescue his xAi shares. I wonder how he will rescue his Tesla shares.

What metric does reaching the moon fulfill?

Nothing, save for advertising that you can. And Musk obviously can't, or he would have by now.
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