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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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I think I’m old enough to have experienced this cycle so many times with so many businesses that I just feel kind of silly to hate on Apple or Microsoft or whoever. They’re all just maximizing profits as designed. I think people find it easier to scowl at the villain du jour than to dig into the deep complex issue of when capitalism doesn’t work, when the government isn’t doing enough, and what we could do about it……

> feeling that we really can’t do much. That's why people don't dig into the deep complex issues. Because it's uncomfortable, and forces one to confront the potential reality that their worldview, and everything they've known about how our society works is wrong, broken, and collapsing in front of them. It can be a very distressing and depressing state of mind. There's a reason "ignorance is bliss" is a common trope,…

> For some, it's better for emotional and mental wellbeing to ignore the problems of reality and remain ignorant.

I think it isn't just some, it's effectively everyone, the nature of being human. Instead, there's a group of people who are willing to sacrifice their emotional and wellbeing to face these problems of reality, and try to use the limited power they do have to improve them, for the greater good.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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I've yet to encounter one in the US, but I suppose that would make me install it.

Which banks do you use? I’m looking to switch away from Chase (which does this). It’s a surprisingly hard thing to search for online…

>Which banks do you use? I’m looking to switch away from Chase (which does this).

Do you mean SMS codes or a Chase Bank App?

I have to deal with the former because I auto-delete cookies when I close tabs and use Multi-account containers on Firefox.

I've never been required to install any application (Chase branded or otherwise) on my phone in order to use the Chase website. I'll note that I've been a Chase customer since they acquired Chemical Bank in 1996.

Am I missing something important here? If so, I'd love to hear about it.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#184
I actually love Apple for pushing this matter this hard and sticking to its guns. This will bring in more regulatory scrutiny not just in the U.S. but in other countries as well. That will force Apple to give up (maybe in a decade or so) this practice of arbitrary rules and squeezing the last penny from others.

Thanks a lot, Eddy Cue, for all that you do to bring Apple down to its knees!

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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I think it’s not that simple. These are not my words and I cannot only post the link [0] as the author uses the referrer to hide his articles from HN, but here’s the text: Once again, Patreon is going to strong-arm all of us into "charge at the moment of sign-up" instead of "charge on the first of the month." They have wanted this for years, and once again they are saying that Apple has given them cover to demand it.…

Why is this person selling “nightclub” memberships via patreon?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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post #184

I actually love Apple for pushing this matter this hard and sticking to its guns. This will bring in more regulatory scrutiny not just in the U.S. but in other countries as well. That will force Apple to give up (maybe in a decade or so) this practice of arbitrary rules and squeezing the last penny from others. Thanks a lot, Eddy Cue, for all that you do to bring Apple down to its knees!

So in about a trillion or two dollars of revenue’s time, then.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Boycott Apple services. It’s the only way they will listen.

I refuse the purchase any apple products (I was never a fan and don't like paying premium for a walled garden) but it's impossible to offer an app if you don't also make one for apple devices.

There is no way around it especially in an apple dense market like Switzerland.

They have a clear monopoly and together with Google a duopoly.

I can thankfully continue with my refusal to purchase from HP perfectly fine.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?

My (user) solution would be to use Patreon on the web, or on Android. No one is forcing you to use specifically the native Apple app.

On top of that Patreon is a closed centralized platform that's bound to have issues like this and that's where I very much prefer using protocols (vs platforms) that enable the same. There are very similar solutions to Patreon, but based on nostr and related protocols.

What is your solution to the government that you may not like using previously established "regulations" against people? My point is that you ask for regulation hoping that it will prevent this type of issue, but the regulation that you actually get will be barely having any effect and it will enforce ID + picture verification, it will enforce downloading specific government sanctioned keylogger app, it will enforce specific US state association, etc. New systems, new complexity, harder for newcomers to start business... Things like this are always added in the fine print. It will just lead to excluding so many people from using the service and making the overall space so much worse. That's why I'm encouraging people to think twice before immediately asking the government to expand its overreach via new regulations.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#189

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Use Android

That's only a solution until Google does the same. And then we're stuck. What do we do when the two largest phone platforms perform this stuff? Go off the grid instead of talking to our representatives?

What about web app? Or desktop?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Which banks do you use? I’m looking to switch away from Chase (which does this). It’s a surprisingly hard thing to search for online…

>Which banks do you use? I’m looking to switch away from Chase (which does this). Do you mean SMS codes or a Chase Bank App? I have to deal with the former because I auto-delete cookies when I close tabs and use Multi-account containers on Firefox. I've never been required to install any application (Chase branded or otherwise) on my phone in order to use the Chase website. I'll note that I've been a Chase customer s…

Chase allows both SMS and their app to be the 2nd factor; I dislike both of those options and would much rather TOTP
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