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Re: I stopped following the news

#181
post #9

I completely understand why, but on the other hand democracy relies on citizens being informed about what's happening. The risk is that one day, you wake up and there is no democracy any more.

I completely disagree. The past 50-70yr of "people ought to care and be involved" type sentiment has resulted in mostly only the people who have nothing better to do and no serious problems having an outsize effect and in some subject areas completely dominating the political discourse to the detriment of literally everyone else and western society generally.

Re: I stopped following the news

#182

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“global rise in fascism” implies a baseline ... when was fascism declining exactly? curious what point you're measuring this rise from

If you are really interested in data, you might check out the Freedom House website. They have been rating countries around the world on things like free elections and civil rights since 1973, and their take is that things have been going downhill since about 2006, with countries becoming more autocratic.

Interesting. They seem to be a D.C based NGO .. but i'll check them out.

Re: I stopped following the news

#183
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It’s unfortunate that American news slip into the HN feed, and that Americans get indignant when it gets flagged. I took so much flak for saying that I already know where to hear about US politics, and don’t need it forced into every unrelated forum.

I second that and I think the HN moderation (@dang) here should do a better job keeping things on topic. That is actually super important because HN will eventually just be another reddit. Quality of conversation here has been deteriorating already significantly in the past years due to more and more people with insignificant curiosity about technology and science but all the more interest for engaging in pointless p…

This comment is specifically called out as a “do not” in the HN guidelines.

It’s the very last line:

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

FWIW, dang et al do a great job and don’t deserve this slander.

PS: you were the first person I saw mention that politician’s name in this thread

Re: I stopped following the news

#184
post #4

I think it's important to keep reading the news occasionally. Personally, I, as a programmer, read the news in the same way as my grandad who was a farmer. I read a printed weekly publication (in my case The Economist) on Sunday morning. Outside of Sunday morning I don't read the news at all. I prefer printed news to media-supported news, because I think the imagery (I acknowledge The Economist still has images) and…

"Outside of Sunday morning I don't read the news at all." Excerpt from comment submitted to Hacker News, an online news aggregator On Wednesday Is Hacker News news

no it's propaganda for a startup factory

Re: I stopped following the news

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Wikipedia editor here! I'd imagine not that far off as we use sources like the economist to write the articles

So you are not journalists by degree, training or other experience.

Nope! We just summmarize what reliable sources say. Same as the rest of wikipedia

Re: I stopped following the news

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Reddit is a shit platform for discussing politics. The users on this site have much more interesting things to say about politics from my experience.

If the last couple of weeks are anything to go by, I'd strongly argue the quality of discourse on any ICE/Trump/Tariffs-related topics have been at exactly Reddit-level, along with the most upvoted opinions mirroring those on Reddit almost to a tee. I vaguely remember checking one of those ICE posts out the other day, and there was not a single comment going against the grain that was neither flagged nor heavily down…

> Nuance/dissent wasn't even vaguely on the cards.

Not all topics are nuanced when discussed by an educated, well-intended audience. Is the world flat? Does evolution lead to speciation? Dissent is for the sake of dissent, and nothing else.

Re: I stopped following the news

#188

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I'm trans. I live in the UK. I know it's not as bad as some middle eastern countries, but I'm still being actively legislated against

Unless there are laws proposing to execute trans people (which I very much doubt but I'm not exactly following UK politics), your "entire existence" is not up for debate. Saying so is just a hyperbole which muddies the waters.

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Re: I stopped following the news

#189

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Reddit is a shit platform for discussing politics. The users on this site have much more interesting things to say about politics from my experience.

If the last couple of weeks are anything to go by, I'd strongly argue the quality of discourse on any ICE/Trump/Tariffs-related topics have been at exactly Reddit-level, along with the most upvoted opinions mirroring those on Reddit almost to a tee. I vaguely remember checking one of those ICE posts out the other day, and there was not a single comment going against the grain that was neither flagged nor heavily down…

On reddit they used to say "the down vote is not a disagree button" but that's not the case here. I've been specifically corrected when I assumed that.

So if the prevailing opinion is that ice is committing murder, it makes sense a contrary comment would be heavily down voted.

I agree that hn is heavily liberal and holds a lot of the toxic leftist anti-thought patterns that are prevalent on reddit. But I think it's more of a symptom of the country and perhaps the West being wound-up over "things".

Re: I stopped following the news

#190
post #187

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If the last couple of weeks are anything to go by, I'd strongly argue the quality of discourse on any ICE/Trump/Tariffs-related topics have been at exactly Reddit-level, along with the most upvoted opinions mirroring those on Reddit almost to a tee. I vaguely remember checking one of those ICE posts out the other day, and there was not a single comment going against the grain that was neither flagged nor heavily down…

> Nuance/dissent wasn't even vaguely on the cards. Not all topics are nuanced when discussed by an educated, well-intended audience. Is the world flat? Does evolution lead to speciation? Dissent is for the sake of dissent, and nothing else.

I've largely stopped commenting here because I feel the community is broken. There's definitely truth to what you say, that an educated audience can have a consensus. But one thing makes the HN community (and many Reddit communities) particularly bad: A lot of these threads have repetitive comments with insults or silly name calling get upvoted. Even if consensus is around the earth being round, there's no need to pettily insult flat earthers. We just ignore them and move on leaving their content to languish at the bottom. On the other hand these threads bring a lot of childish insults that get upvoted just because they hit the right buttons.

This to me is one (of many) sign that the community here cannot healthily discuss these topics. IMO the community here isn't healthy at all. That's why I don't post here much anymore. It's a sign to me that too many discussions in this community are about seeking emotional catharsis. And I'm sorry but for my own mental health, I'm not going to listen to someone else's panic attack resulting from political uncertainty.

I feel for dang and tomhow. It seems that most of their work is doing emotional labor. And emotional labor can grind a person down quickly.

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