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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

lol. came here to say pretty much the same thing.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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>is the only defense. Or you know, the 2nd amendment. Id be willing to bet that ICE would have a much smaller impact if they would be met with bullets instead of cameras. In the end, what ICE is doing doesn't really matter to Trump, as long as MAGA believes that things are being done, even if nothing is being done, he doesn't care.

That's a strange take. It also feels like exactly what they are hoping to have happen. Encouraging gun violence is not something condoned, so not sure why you are posting that nonsense. Are you an agitator?

I wish we would stop using that word 'agitator', while I understand the subjective idea that someone is just trying to stir up trouble, it kind of undermines the idea that we should be able to express opinions no matter how distasteful.

and apparently it now a perfectly valid reason for the state to execute someone without being charged or a trial.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Unless they compel people at gunpoint (which prevents the government from bringing a case), they will probably not have much luck with this. As soon as a user sets up a passcode or other lock on their phone, it is beyond the ability of even most parts of the US government to look inside. It's much more likely that the government convinces one member of the group chat to turn on the other members and give up their pho…

https://xkcd.com/538/

This is accurate, but the important point is that threatening people with wrenches isn’t scalable in the way mass surveillance is.

The problem with mass surveillance is the “mass” part: warrantless fishing expeditions.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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post #113
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they compel people at gunpoint (which prevents the government from bringing a case), they will probably not have much luck with this. As soon as a user sets up a passcode or other lock on their phone, it is beyond the ability of even most parts of the US government to look inside. It's much more likely that the government convinces one member of the group chat to turn on the other members and give up their pho…

https://xkcd.com/538/

it is difficult to wrench someone when you do not know who they are

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

How does Palantir defeat Signal's crypto? I suppose it could be done by pwning everybody's phones, but Palantir mostly does surveillance AFAIK, I haven't heard of them getting into the phone hacking business. I think Israeli corps have that market covered.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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While we’re getting rid of the first amendment maybe we should also get rid of the fourth and fifth amendment too since they make law enforcement harder? I’m sure cops in North Korea have a much easier and safer job.

You only have rights you exercise. Don't let the cops trample on your rights. Though... this does seem to work better for white, rich, older dudes than for other people.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Absolutely nothing in this article is related to feds using conversation metadata to map participants, so, no they weren’t.

If you follow the X chatter on this, some folks got into the groups and tracked all the numbers, their contributions, and when they went "on shift" or "off". I don't really think Signal tech has anything to do with this.

That’s really interesting extra context, thanks!
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