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Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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They did build a browser; it may not be a very compliant or complete browser, or even a useful one, but neither was IE6!

It didn't even compile, which makes me consider wether your comment is just ignorant or outright maliciously misleading

I think it was mostly a joke about IE being horrible.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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The repository is less than one week old though; having only the initial commit wouldn't shock me right away.

That is totally fine... as long as you don't call it 'production grade'. I wouldn't call anything production grade that hasn't actually spent time (more than a week!) in actual production.

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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#183
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Btw, after I wrote that initial article ("Cursor's latest "browser experiment" implied success without evidence"), I gave it my own try to write a browser from scratch with just one agent, using no 3rd party crates, only commonly available system libraries, and just made a Show HN about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779522 The end result: Me and one agent (codex) managed to build something more or less t…

Congratulations: you've single-handedly managed to humiliate a $29 bil. poster child for code-slop!

Put out bad and sloppy stuff > receive humiliation, a trade I'm happy to help facilitate :)

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#184

My charitable read on this is that an individual vibe-coded both the post and repository and was able to publish to the Cloudflare blog without it actually being reviewed or vetted. They also are not an engineer and when the agent hallucinated “I have built and tested this and it is production grade,” they took it at face value. You can tell since the code is in a public repository and not Cloudflare’s, which IMO is…

I have heard that Cloudflare leadership (CEO/CTO) review every single blog post personally.

I doubt they checked the code though

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#185

I found the source code Jade was referring to, and it looks like the author just noticed this thread: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/0823b47c...

Your commit is orphaned now; it seems he amended the log to a vague "Clean up code comments" to try to make the purpose less obvious: https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd...

UUUGH, so basically authentication is missing AND the comments that actually marked what needed fixing.

Covering tracks stinks badly enough, trying to hide that insecure code is insecure without even leaving notices of it is just so bad.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#186
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This is a bit more than overselling a proof of concept. He made claims that were not correct, and presented some LLM generated code as point of pride. And not on his blog, but a company's website. He's emblematic of the era we now live in. Vibe coded projects that the "developer" didn't learn anything from, posted using LLMs. People have zero shame, zero curiosity, zero desire in learning and understanding what they'…

> Also it doesn't make sense to escalate an interaction by swearing at a person and simultaneously asking them to calm down.

I found it fun :-).

I kindly ask to try to empathise with a random human being who is most certainly not used to be shamed publicly, and they tell me to check myself in the mirror.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#187

So the original post had this added to the top: > This post was updated at 11:15 a.m. Pacific time to clarify that the use case described here is a proof of concept. Some sections have been updated for clarity. But then the bottom still says: > Our team is using Matrix on Workers, handling real encrypted communications. It is fast, it is cheap, and it is arguably one of the most secure ways to deploy a homeserver tod…

Edited again at 11:45 to remove that as well. Now reads:

> I have been experimenting with the implementation and am excited for any contributions from others interested in this kind of service.

A few of the versions of the blog are available at: https://archive.ph/https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-ma...

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#188
post #109

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And I didn't say that you cannot criticise it (or did you think I was talking to you personally?). I just see a lot of comments from people who just seem happy to see that they can contribute to ruining someone else's day (or more).

> or did you think I was talking to you personally? You wrote, > May I kindly ask you to calm the fuck down? So yes, a reasonable person would conclude that you were talking to them. > I just see a lot of comments from people who just seem happy to see that they can contribute to ruining someone else's day (or more). Which comments do you see doing that? Exactly?

> You wrote,

And you don't seem to understand how the conversation went. I was obviously talking about my first comment, to which they answered.

> Which comments do you see doing that? Exactly?

Interestingly, those that made me write my first message were removed. Not that it was because of my message obviously, which mostly got me downvotes :-).

But the next best one would be:

"public shaming is the next best thing. I sincerely hope links to this incident will haunt him every time someone googles his name forevermore"

(after implying that ideally they should lose their job for this)

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#189
post #111

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As you say, it's pretty hard to say that the average quality of software engineering makes it deserve the word "engineering" at all. Most software is bad accross the board, and developers on average get pretty good salaries for... whatever they bring to the world. Still I don't think that some random employee deserves to be harassed and publicly shamed for a bad blog post.

In other industries this would be a gross ethical issue and potentially a legal one. In this industry, public criticism for public fraudulence is "harassment", I guess? C'mon, man.

> In other industries this would be a gross ethical issue and potentially a legal one

Yes, but this is not another industry. Also in other industries, some say that "full self-driving is coming tomorrow" or "we can send millions of people to live on mars".

> public criticism for public fraudulence is "harassment", I guess? C'mon, man.

I never said "don't criticise". I have seen comments that I found very disrespectful early when this post started growing, and I tried to call for some empathy for the human being who made that mistake.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

#190

In 2026, you should be implementing MLS instead of Matrix.

what? that's like saying "you should implement TLS instead of HTTP"!

They do entirely different things: MLS is a key agreement protocol, equivalent to the Double Ratchet that Matrix uses for E2EE today. Matrix can use both.

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