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Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by eightys3v3n »

gampleman wrote: post #177
eightys3v3n wrote: post #176

I had a similar problem with SunLife marketing emails. I would unsubscribe from everything there was an option for, then a month later I would get another marketing email setting personal finance advisors. I spoke to support to be told how to unsubscribe, then that it "was an account information email not a marketing email so I cauld not unsubscribe". Eventually after escalating I was put on a do not email list and h…

I tend to have a policy: I will click on your unsubscribe button once, after that it's straight to 'report spam'. If that sinks your domain ratings, that's on you.

Yeah except once in a blue moon they send an email I do need that really is account information and all from the same SunLife email :/

Otherwise I have the same policy.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by njhnjhnjh »

Terr_ wrote: post #2

> Has anyone else noticed that the AI industry can’t take “no” for an answer? AI is being force-fed into every corner of tech. It’s unfathomable to them that some of us aren’t interested. The entire AI industry is built upon a common principle of non-consent. I can't help but see the spam as more circumstantial evidence of a bubble, where top-down "pump those numbers" priorities overrides regular process.

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Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by throwaway173738 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #105
StrangeSound wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the same boat. I think part of that is Proton is spread across a huge suite of products and features, whereas Fastmail is specialised in one.

It feels like Proton is trying to build a solid Europe-based alternative to Microsoft 365, which is necessary but also very ambitious and expensive.

Proton’s pricing is really frustrating for me because I want to buy upgrades to only a few services like Pass and email. Your only option on their service is to select either Pass or Mail. You cannot buy both and you will be downgraded on one if you try to buy the other.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by chrisjj »

SCdF wrote: post #144
chrisjj wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I left Google Workspace, as a paying customer for years, because they injected gemini into gmail I wonder if this varies by territory. In UK, none of the Gmail accounts I use has received this pollution > I am moving all of the software that I pay for to competitors who either do not integrate AI, or allow me to disable it if I wish. The latter sounds safer. The former may add "AI" tomorrow.

I am in the UK. TBC this isn't a gmail.com email address, this is a paid "small business" workspace against a custom domain. Eventually they backtracked and allowed (I think?) all paid customers to disable gemini, but I had already migrated to Fastmail so :shrug:

Ah. My addresses are @gmail.com.

Perhaps the fact you paid got you marked as a likely gull :)

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by chrisjj »

plagiarist wrote: post #166
jasode wrote: post #75

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>I disagree: in as much as I have noticed this far more with AI than any other advancement / fad I agree with gp that new spam emails that override customers' email marketing preferences is not an "AI" issue. The problem is that once companies have your email address, their irresistible compulsion to spam you is so great that they will deliberately not honor their own "Communication Preferences" that supposedly lets…

> Apple doesn't send out marketing messages and obeys their customers' marketing email preferences ... except .. when you buy a new iPhone and then they send emails about "Your new iPhone lets you try Apple TV for 3 months free!" and then more emails about "You have Apple Music for 3 months free!" That's "transactional" I'm sure. It makes sense that a company is legally allowed to send transactional emails, but they…

How is it transactional in any way? It looks to me like post-transaction upsell, pure and simple.

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Post by throwaway173738 »

causalscience wrote: post #175
littlecranky67 wrote: post #169

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It is, if they are encrypted. Without a password manager, I would inevitable have to reuse the same passwords over and over on my hundreds of different accounts. With a password manager, they are auto-generated random gibberish. And yes, even when using 2FA, you should have different passwords for all accounts. Bitwarden, OnePassword, LastPass, Proton Pass etc. are password managers with dozens of millions of users t…

It's not, because the world we live in isn't binary. It's not true that "it's encrypted therefore nothing can go wrong". Putting your password manager online increases the risk of an accident. And just because millions of people think this is a good idea, doesn't make it a good idea. Millions of people also reuse their passwords and that doesn't make it a good idea either.

The thing is that accounts get cracked because of reuse all the time. Whereas they seldom if at all get cracked because they’re in a password manager.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by this_user »

fundatus wrote: post #85
bdbdbdb wrote: post #82

I'm with proton on this tbh. It's not a lumo update, it's an attempt to tell people who don't use lumo about it's existence. Maybe it's not something you want to read but an email saying "hey, have you heard of this thing called lumo" is not something you'd send out to existing lumo users

Over in the Proton subreddit we've been wondering if there is currently some kind of Anti-Proton campaign going on. Constantly people will loudly complain about completely benign things and get lot's of people agreeing with them.

Every time there is anything posted about Proton on HN, there is an immediate wave of super negative comments, none of which ever offer any arguments of substance. It's always just some vague allegations, and this has been the case for years. It's pretty obvious what is going on.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by FeteCommuniste »

haritha-j wrote: post #78
SCdF wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree: in as much as I have noticed this *far* more with AI than any other advancement / fad (depending on your opinion) than anything else before. This also tracks with every app and website injecting AI into every one of your interactions, with no way to disable it. I think the article's point about non-consent is a very apt one, and expresses why I dislike this trend so much. I left Google Workspace, as a pay…

> only those on the most expensive enterprise plans could at the time I left. lol. so the premium feature is the ability to turn off the AI? That's one way to monetise AI I suppose.

Hahaha. It's like a protection racket for the new age.

"Nice user experience you got there. Would be a real shame if AI got added to it."

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by cyrialize »

danielhep wrote: post #42

This problem, along with general annoyances at Proton’s lack of focus on a good email experience pushed me over the edge to move to Fastmail. I’m so much happier. Proton Mail Bridge would often pin one core of my laptop CPU, draining my battery, and it was still slow to sync new email. With Fastmail, incoming mail is so fast that the verification codes are already there before I can alt tab over.

Fastmail is awesome! I've been a happy user for a long time. Everything just works. The UI is great, nothing gets in my way.

I'm a fan of the randomly generated emails as well. That service integrates with 1Password too.

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