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Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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And how does that work for them?

Fantastic for my knowledge worker 401(k)!

Who knew that cutting taxes while keeping government spending high AND lowering interest rates could result in so much free money going around? That coupled with the dollar losing 10% of its value in a year, of course stocks are higher than before. Inflation and dollar losing value = winning!

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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The Europeans I know seem to save in actual bank savings accounts, whereas the Americans I know seem to invest their money. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but I can't find a description of "savings" on those charts, so I think it might be ignoring American investments. To me, they are both types of investment, one a super safe option with a low return, and the other a more risky option with a higher return. From…

When private individuals have their money in savings accounts, aren't the banks investing that money anyway ?

Practically, yes. But in economics they often classify “savings” only as being in a bank account. So if you “save” money in a 401k, where it’s invested in stocks, bonds or ETFs or whatever, then it’s not recorded as savings because they consider that “investment”. So when someone says EU saving is 18.79% vs US saving of 3.50%, most of the wealth saved by Americans isn’t showing up in that comparison because it’s not in a bank account.

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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Fantastic for my knowledge worker 401(k)!

Who knew that cutting taxes while keeping government spending high AND lowering interest rates could result in so much free money going around? That coupled with the dollar losing 10% of its value in a year, of course stocks are higher than before. Inflation and dollar losing value = winning!

Oh, and, of course, a deficit is a tax increase that's deferred to the future.

It's one thing to spend a deficit on something long-term useful, it's another thing to piss it away.

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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Those are thin markets, and not necessarily even open to most EU investors. Also, good luck getting your investment back when there's another coup or civil war in the target country. Major investors have always had some level of international diversification and that will continue. But this recent EU move won't have any significant impact.

> Those are thin markets, and not necessarily even open to most EU investors... coup or civil war in the target country. I didn't say anything about "investing" in any closed markets or target countries. This isn't complicated but I'm sensing some entrenched and overly optimistic preconceptions getting in the way.

It becomes complicated pretty quickly if you're trying to deploy large amounts of capital into small, unsophisticated markets regardless of whether you label it "investing" or something else. But you seem to be confused about how this stuff works in the real world.

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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Macron is making up numbers. Unless the EU member states actually impose capital controls, investors will continue to send their capital wherever it can earn the highest returns. Profitable investment opportunities in the EU remain slim and so far they seem uninterested in pursuing a growth policy.

If American workers can properly organize general strikes then those investments look much less appealing.

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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> Profitable investment opportunities in the EU remain slim Is this investment advice?

Yes. You should only invest in profitable opportunities.

This is presented axiomatically but it's trivially proven false.

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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What makes it more ridiculous, is that fact that we from the EU are shouting US is getting isolated, but some of the biggest economies in the world do not want to trade with 4 countries from the 3rd world, because we think will get bankrupt because of that.

> but some of the biggest economies in the world do not want to trade with 4 countries from the 3rd world, It's this attitude that makes non-Europeans (especially those of us without European heritage) less sympathetic to European pleas of support, yet it's your politicians that try to sign a defense pacts with "third world countries" like India [0] [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/india/eu-proceed-security-defe..…

You should understand what the term "third-world" means. It is not the synonym for a "developing country", let alone "shithole country".

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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TIL EU savings rate is far more than US. 18.79% vs 3.50% Guessing that's somehow counting enforced deductions off paycheques. Would be a wild difference if not. https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/personal-savings https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/personal-savings

Also helps that most people don't start with an extremely large student loan when they have finished their education.

It helps that Europeans can go to a hospital or take an ambulance without having to open a GoFundMe account.

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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> but some of the biggest economies in the world do not want to trade with 4 countries from the 3rd world, It's this attitude that makes non-Europeans (especially those of us without European heritage) less sympathetic to European pleas of support, yet it's your politicians that try to sign a defense pacts with "third world countries" like India [0] [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/india/eu-proceed-security-defe..…

You should understand what the term "third-world" means. It is not the synonym for a "developing country", let alone "shithole country".

You and I both know in what context they used that statement. Enjoy getting offshored.

Re: Macron says €300B in EU savings sent to the US every year will be invested in EU

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Probably real estate. You also lose the tools, and the people, and the know-how.

Well that doesn’t seem to matter in another areas of the economy… meanwhile in Germany we are experiencing an historical de-industrialization. I don’t see nearly as much fuss about that.

Severely downsizing or shutting down the military production, how has it been working to get it running again so far? And now imagine if Germany wouldn't have the luxury of hiding behind the Ukrainian/American/Polish/Finnish backs and would have to actually fight the war at the same time.

Well, returning the food production while the population is starving would have been an even harder problem.

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