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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by jijijijij »

blibble wrote: post #163
jijijijij wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is the biggest indicator of permanent damage. The EU politicians aren't as impulsive and loud as the US, they won't do anything drastic when necessary changes take time to implement. They will buffer this hurt as much as they can, to cut their losses. However, the fact the trade deal now suddenly passed, after 20 years(?) of talk, points to a fundamental shift behind the scenes. Things are clearly in pro…

> The US will never be trusted or even respected again, not any time soon. not until the US fundamentally changes its political system such that this type of capture can't happen again which short of a civil war, I can't see happening

The president who is willing to fix this will have to bend the knee. The US behavior is straight insulting and caused major economic damage. If your drunk uncle pointed a gun to your head, a simple "Sorry!" won't do.

Quite frankly, considering the wide diplomatic damage and collapsing influence, paired with its deep social, cultural and economic internal issues... I can totally see the US failing. They depend so much on power projection and economic influence, I don't see how they could possibly manage on their own. What will happen to the dollar if the US isn't guaranteeing stability anymore? The debt will explode and former allies may call on their stake. Due to the AI bubble, the American economy is worse than it looks. It may all come down together.

Is California going to hold the bag for Florida? What's being American other than an international embarrassment and a bully, at this point? How strong is the shared identity when it comes to it? With ICE and all, can they get over the differences in "opinion" about who's deserving human rights and who doesn't?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by tailspin2019 »

Being from the UK - one of the privileged few to be tariffed - I couldn’t give a fuck about this.

The thing that makes me viscerally angry in my soul though is reading about Greenlanders who are now stocking up on food and/or making plans to leave their country if the worst case happens.

What the actual fuck. I can’t believe this is the reality we’re living in.

So, tariff away. As someone else said, it’s a badge of honour at this point.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

aebtebeten wrote: post #113
zppln wrote: post #47

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Wasn't there some kind of military exercise around Greenland the other day? I assume these are the countries that participated?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Arctic_Endurance how I believe the tripwire would legally work: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46634146

And I think the Trump cabinet noticed, because they pivoted! (The actual analysis is at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46630190 btw)

Edit: see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_Epidamnus#The_Atheni...

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by devsda »

mindslight wrote: post #164
devsda wrote: post #137

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> As an American I will argue against my government's unilateral global adventurism all day long I'm sure there are many Americans who would oppose this adventurism. I'm not sure whether that's because they believe its just a bad strategy to continue the status quo or because its just plainly a wrong way to treat other nations by force. > That certainly doesn't mean that expanding the behavior is progress. I don't me…

> I don't mean it as progress You ascribed the label "fairest" as if the current state is closer to a desired ideal. This is a standard pattern of fascist propaganda - pointing out the longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the system in support of going backwards to where we didn't even try to live up to something better. If you'd focused on what you see as the positive path forward, in spite of current events, then I…

In what twisted imaginary world is saying that a serial killer was fair to all his victims by being equally brutal with all of them means killing was the desired ideal. I'm not sure who proposed going backwards or what it even means.

Everyone is acknowledging the hypocrisy because it is hitting their bottom line this time.

I would like to see links to your opinions where you pointed to the "longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the systen" as a problem before the tariff nonsense.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by tpm »

antisthenes wrote: post #117
devsda wrote: post #87

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True. Those who think they are being unfair just now, this is actually the fairest they've been since forever. Fairest in terms of arm twisting and other tactics being applied to everyone equally instead of being selective. Previously it was on the lines of the west and the rest, but now its just America and the rest.

As resources become more scarce, tribalism emerges. A tale as old as time, for those who have even the slightest education in history.

It's not resources (this time), it's the US' sinking relative standing in the world that is causing this. Any self-respecting empire facing the end of its global domination wants to self-destruct violently instead of slowly disappearing. Hence WW1&2 and now whatever will this be.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by hermanzegerman »

illiac786 wrote: post #139
hermanzegerman wrote: post #103

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EU has it's own more robust defence agreement.

How is it more robust? There is no EU army, is there?

The EU defence clause is more binding than the NATO Article 5. It also demands that the other states * obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power* whereas Article 5 let's other states decide how much aid they want to supply

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by pseudalopex »

TrackerFF wrote: post #89

It is wildly fascinating to experience, in real time, how fragile the US system is. Trump really did show that the US is built on the assumption that people in power will behave, basically a honor system. Trump is stress testing every single aspect of the US. He's dousing the US with gasoline, and fumbling around with matches. The people around him, knee deep in gas, are too afraid to take the matches from him. In so…

> Trump really did show that the US is built on the assumption that people in power will behave, basically a honor system.

> In so many other countries, Trump would face a no confidence vote. Snap elections.

US Congress could do many things. But Trump's party support him. Or fear his supporters would not vote for them in the next elections. Or fear worse.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by lyu07282 »

DustinEchoes wrote: post #130
lyu07282 wrote: post #99

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It's like when every liberal scoffs at leftists opposing US imperialism, nothing about the power balance has changed. Europe was always a vassal of the empire. This is the liberal international order, this is what that means, not what they tell you it means, but what it actually means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_international_order That's why they can kidnap Maduro, have the BBC censor the word "kidnapped"…

Leftists can go eat shit. They spent over a year convincing people not to vote for Kamala. Their preferred candidate won!

Leftists wanted her to not be a dog shit politician in order for her to win, they were screaming for her to embrace real substantive policy positions and not business as usual, corrupt, liberal elitism. The same leftists are now in the street protecting communities from the gastapo, while liberals debate about which words they can say. It were those exact liberal politics that lost Hillary the election too, and then you were screaming too about how it was all Bernie's fault. For christ sake, Trump was able to sell himself as the PEACE CANDIDATE, how can you fuck this up so badly?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by fritzorino »

jijijijij wrote: post #181
blibble wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US will never be trusted or even respected again, not any time soon. not until the US fundamentally changes its political system such that this type of capture can't happen again which short of a civil war, I can't see happening

The president who is willing to fix this will have to bend the knee. The US behavior is straight insulting and caused major economic damage. If your drunk uncle pointed a gun to your head, a simple "Sorry!" won't do. Quite frankly, considering the wide diplomatic damage and collapsing influence, paired with its deep social, cultural and economic internal issues... I can totally see the US failing. They depend so much…

> What's being American other than an international embarrassment and a bully, at this point?

This is a good point and I don't know what the answer is. To be American is to be a citizen of Eternal Trumpistan. Trump is America and America is Trump at this point. They have no soft power on the world stage at all any more, they're largely detested, even by their own friends.

The USA had an important role to play in the rest of the 21st century and China could have been contained. But it's over now. Good job Americans. Good job you fucking morons.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by jamwil »

DustinEchoes wrote: post #81
sixothree wrote: post #18

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Fox News happened.

And social media. Trump is the social media president.

This. Mark Zuckerberg is uniquely responsible for this. World went to shit when he figured out how profitable it was to platform outrage.
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